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LittleNipper wrote:You need to consider a lesson in Hebrew. The following site should help you understand, if that is the desire of your heart...
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_ ... inity.html


Wow! That is quite the site you reference to. I must say I don't appreciate the crudeness of the language used. Check out the Yiddish "word of the day"

Shmoiger (SHMOY-ger) n. (pejorative) A shmuck, but really stupid. "He's a real ~."

I get the feeling they understand Hebrew on a scholarly level but have no idea how it's used "on the street"

Shmuck means "foreskin". and yes it's pejorative.
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bcuzbcuz wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:You need to consider a lesson in Hebrew. The following site should help you understand, if that is the desire of your heart...
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_ ... inity.html


Wow! That is quite the site you reference to. I must say I don't appreciate the crudeness of the language used. Check out the Yiddish "word of the day"

Shmoiger (SHMOY-ger) n. (pejorative) A shmuck, but really stupid. "He's a real ~."

I get the feeling they understand Hebrew on a scholarly level but have no idea how it's used "on the street"

Shmuck means "foreskin". and yes it's pejorative.


Perhaps, it is actually a disagreement with scriptural interpretation you find hard to swallow.
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Samantabhadra wrote:I will never understand why the fundies place so much emphasis on Genesis. Not to say that it is completely useless or anything, but really.


Genesis establishes the fundamental value of salvation, the legitimate right of Israel to be a nation --- ownership of the land, and declares the coming Messiah. Genesis also separates the sheep from the goats.
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gdemetz wrote:Yea, Genesis cries for a true prophets interpretation. My grandfather, rest his soul, believed that Eve was actually made literally from Adam's rib, and he dies believing that a man had one less rib than a woman.


Well, I believe your grandfather was right about Eve literally being fashioned from Adam's rib (genetics and all). I do not know if God didn't then repair or regrow a new rib for Adam or left the mark as a sign to Adam concerning Eve. Jesus spoke of the Old Testament as though it was literal. That is good enough for me.
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Genesis 4:16-26
So we see Cain leaves God and settles somewhat east of Eden. Cain takes a sister or niece and has Enoch. Cain builds a city, honoring this son by calling it Enoch. We see that there are more children, highlights as follows: Lamech appears to be the first polygamist and the second murderer of one young man. He is certainly a braggart concerning such activity. Jabal -- first of those inhabiting tents and purchased possessions. Jubal -- first instructor of harp/pipe music. Tubal-Cain -- first instructor of metal working.
Adam and Eve in the meantime had at least one other son named Seth. He was seen as a replacement for Abel. Seth begat Enos and Enos seems to be the first preacher in the name of the Lord.

16 And Cain goeth out from before Jehovah, and dwelleth in the land, moving about east of Eden;

17 and Cain knoweth his wife, and she conceiveth, and beareth Enoch; and he is building a city, and he calleth the name of the city, according to the name of his son -- Enoch.

18 And born to Enoch is Irad; and Irad hath begotten Mehujael; and Mehujael hath begotten Methusael; and Methusael hath begotten Lamech.

19 And Lamech taketh to himself two wives, the name of the one Adah, and the name of the second Zillah.

20 And Adah beareth Jabal, he hath been father of those inhabiting tents and purchased possessions;

21 and the name of his brother [is] Jubal, he hath been father of every one handling harp and organ.

22 And Zillah she also bare Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron; and a sister of Tubal-Cain [is] Naamah.

23 And Lamech saith to his wives: -- `Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; Wives of Lamech, give ear [to] my saying: For a man I have slain for my wound, Even a young man for my hurt;

24 For sevenfold is required for Cain, And for Lamech seventy and sevenfold.'

25 And Adam again knoweth his wife, and she beareth a son, and calleth his name Seth, `for God hath appointed for me another seed instead of Abel:' for Cain had slain him.

26 And to Seth, to him also a son hath been born, and he calleth his name Enos; then a beginning was made of preaching in the name of Jehovah.
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Nipper, Jesus never stated that Eve being taken from Adam's rid was a literal event. Genesis teaches that Adam was made from the dust of the ground, and Luke teaches that he was the son of God. Until the gospel was restored, none of your false prophets were able to make heads or tails of that!
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gdemetz wrote:Nipper, Jesus never stated that Eve being taken from Adam's rid was a literal event. Genesis teaches that Adam was made from the dust of the ground, and Luke teaches that he was the son of God. Until the gospel was restored, none of your false prophets were able to make heads or tails of that!

Jesus does speak of Noah and he likely met Adam, given their long life spans.
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Genesis 5 Enoch walked habitually with God, and he is not, for God hath taken him. The rest is history...
Seth born, Adam is 130------------130 0+130 Gen 5:1-3
Enosh born, Seth is 105------------235 130+105 Gen 5:6
Kenan born, Enosh is 90------------325 235+90 Gen 5:9
Mahalalel born, Kenan is 70--------395 325+70 Gen 5:12
Jared born, Mahalalel is 65--------460 395+65 Gen 5:15
Enoch born, Jared is 162 622------460+162 Gen 5:18
Methuselah born, Enoch is 65------687 622+65 Gen 5:21
Lamech born, Methuselah is 187---874 687+187 Gen 5:25

Adam dies at 930--------------------930 0+930 Gen 5:5
Enoch goes to God at 365----------987 622+365 Gen 5:23
Seth dies at 912-------------------1042 130+912 Gen 5:8
Noah born, Lamech is 182--------1056 874+182 Gen 5:28-29
Enosh dies at 905------------------1140 235+905 Gen 5:11
Kenan dies at 910------------------1235 325+910 Gen 5:14
Mahalalel dies at 895--------------1290 395+895 Gen 5:17
Jared dies at 962-------------------1422 460+962 Gen 5:20


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 This [is] an account of the births of Adam: In the day of God's preparing man, in the likeness of God He hath made him;

2 a male and a female He hath prepared them, and He blesseth them, and calleth their name Man, in the day of their being prepared.

3 And Adam liveth an hundred and thirty years, and begetteth [a son] in his likeness, according to his image, and calleth his name Seth.

4 And the days of Adam after his begetting Seth are eight hundred years, and he begetteth sons and daughters.

5 And all the days of Adam which he lived are nine hundred and thirty years, and he dieth.

6 And Seth liveth an hundred and five years, and begetteth Enos.

7 And Seth liveth after his begetting Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

8 And all the days of Seth are nine hundred and twelve years, and he dieth.

9 And Enos liveth ninety years, and begetteth Cainan.

10 And Enos liveth after his begetting Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

11 And all the days of Enos are nine hundred and five years, and he dieth.

12 And Cainan liveth seventy years, and begetteth Mahalaleel.

13 And Cainan liveth after his begetting Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

14 And all the days of Cainan are nine hundred and ten years, and he dieth.

15 And Mahalaleel liveth five and sixty years, and begetteth Jared.

16 And Mahalaleel liveth after his begetting Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

17 And all the days of Mahalaleel are eight hundred and ninety and five years, and he dieth.

18 And Jared liveth an hundred and sixty and two years, and begetteth Enoch.

19 And Jared liveth after his begetting Enoch eight hundred years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

20 And all the days of Jared are nine hundred and sixty and two years, and he dieth.

21 And Enoch liveth five and sixty years, and begetteth Methuselah.

22 And Enoch walketh habitually with God after his begetting Methuselah three hundred years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

23 And all the days of Enoch are three hundred and sixty and five years.

24 And Enoch walketh habitually with God, and he is not, for God hath taken him.

25 And Methuselah liveth an hundred and eighty and seven years, and begetteth Lamech.

26 And Methuselah liveth after his begetting Lamech seven hundred and eighty and two years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

27 And all the days of Methuselah are nine hundred and sixty and nine years, and he dieth.

28 And Lamech liveth an hundred and eighty and two years, and begetteth a son,

29 and calleth his name Noah, saying, `This [one] doth comfort us concerning our work, and concerning the labour of our hands, because of the ground which Jehovah hath cursed.'

30 And Lamech liveth after his begetting Noah five hundred and ninety and five years, and begetteth sons and daughters.

31 And all the days of Lamech are seven hundred and seventy and seven years, and he dieth.

32 And Noah is a son of five hundred years, and Noah begetteth Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
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LittleNipper wrote:
gdemetz wrote:Nipper, Jesus never stated that Eve being taken from Adam's rid was a literal event. Genesis teaches that Adam was made from the dust of the ground, and Luke teaches that he was the son of God. Until the gospel was restored, none of your false prophets were able to make heads or tails of that!

Jesus does speak of Noah and he likely met Adam, given their long life spans.


So?
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LittleNipper wrote:
gdemetz wrote:Nipper, Jesus never stated that Eve being taken from Adam's rid was a literal event. Genesis teaches that Adam was made from the dust of the ground, and Luke teaches that he was the son of God. Until the gospel was restored, none of your false prophets were able to make heads or tails of that!

Jesus does speak of Noah and he likely met Adam, given their long life spans.

Christ's apostles believed the Genesis account and were disciples of Jesus.1 Corinthians 15
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that I proclaimed to you, which also ye did receive, in which also ye have stood,

2 through which also ye are being saved, in what words I proclaimed good news to you, if ye hold fast, except ye did believe in vain,

3 for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,

4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,

5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,

6 afterwards he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain till now, and certain also did fall asleep;

7 afterwards he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.

8 And last of all -- as to the untimely birth -- he appeared also to me,

9 for I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I did persecute the assembly of God,

10 and by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace that towards me came not in vain, but more abundantly than they all did I labour, yet not I, but the grace of God that [is] with me;

11 whether, then, I or they, so we preach, and so ye did believe.

12 And if Christ is preached, that out of the dead he hath risen, how say certain among you, that there is no rising again of dead persons?

13 and if there be no rising again of dead persons, neither hath Christ risen;

14 and if Christ hath not risen, then void [is] our preaching, and void also your faith,

15 and we also are found false witnesses of God, because we did testify of God that He raised up the Christ, whom He did not raise if then dead persons do not rise;

16 for if dead persons do not rise, neither hath Christ risen,

17 and if Christ hath not risen, vain is your faith, ye are yet in your sins;

18 then, also, those having fallen asleep in Christ did perish;

19 if in this life we have hope in Christ only, of all men we are most to be pitied.

20 And now, Christ hath risen out of the dead -- the first-fruits of those sleeping he became,

21 for since through man [is] the death, also through man [is] a rising again of the dead,

22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,

23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

24 then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power --

25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet --

26 the last enemy is done away -- death;

27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, [it is] evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,

28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

29 Seeing what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? why also are they baptized for the dead?

30 why also do we stand in peril every hour?

31 Every day do I die, by the glorying of you that I have in Christ Jesus our Lord:

32 if after the manner of a man with wild beasts I fought in Ephesus, what the advantage to me if the dead do not rise? let us eat and drink, for to-morrow we die!

33 Be not led astray; evil communications corrupt good manners;

34 awake up, as is right, and sin not; for certain have an ignorance of God; for shame to you I say [it].

35 But some one will say, `How do the dead rise?

36 unwise! thou -- what thou dost sow is not quickened except it may die;

37 and that which thou dost sow, not the body that shall be dost thou sow, but bare grain, it may be of wheat, or of some one of the others,

38 and God doth give to it a body according as He willed, and to each of the seeds its proper body.

39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fishes, and another of birds;

40 and [there are] heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but one [is] the glory of the heavenly, and another that of the earthly;

41 one glory of sun, and another glory of moon, and another glory of stars, for star from star doth differ in glory.

42 So also [is] the rising again of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption;

43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;

45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam [is] for a life-giving spirit,
46 but that which is spiritual [is] not first, but that which [was] natural, afterwards that which [is] spiritual.

47 The first man [is] out of the earth, earthy; the second man [is] the Lord out of heaven;48 as [is] the earthy, such [are] also the earthy; and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] also the heavenly;

49 and, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

50 And this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood the reign of God is not able to inherit, nor doth the corruption inherit the incorruption;

51 lo, I tell you a secret; we indeed shall not all sleep, and we all shall be changed;

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trumpet, for it shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we -- we shall be changed:

53 for it behoveth this corruptible to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality;

54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

55 where, O Death, thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?'

56 and the sting of the death [is] the sin, and the power of the sin the law;

57 and to God -- thanks, to Him who is giving us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ;

58 so that, my brethren beloved, become ye stedfast, unmovable, abounding in the work of the Lord at all times, knowing that your labour is not vain in the Lord
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