Again, you can't fool God Drifting. If it was your determination to seek God, no matter what it took and how long it took (which is the right intent here), then you would get an answer. Your own statement demonstrates that you had no intention to follow through.
How do you know you can't fool God?
How do you know God will answer people determined to get an answer from Him (timescale caveat applies) when your own personal evidence is that He answers sinners, who aren't even looking for Him, with a personal appearance?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Tobin wrote: No, it didn't go over my head. You just don't understand what I'm saying is all. One should seek and speak with God and do what God says to do. Your assumption is that you should be Mormon (or follow Jim Jones in your example) then ask God if that is right. That is what is stupid.
Still going over your head. I never said any such thing. The example is based on you saying one should never stop trying, but other groups like Jim Jones can say the same thing. You can say the same thing about Xenu, Zues, etc.
Themis wrote:Jim Jones example. Still going over his head. I hide good intents as a believer with no intentions to stop. I did only because I could see the method was flawed and to much evidence showing the church was not what it claims. I am very comfortable that a good God would say I did the right thing. My intention shave always been to to and believe what I think and hope is right and true. People like you need to believe otherwise. What ever.
Again, wrong. Doing what is right and diligently seeking and speaking with God is all I'm talking about. You brought up Jim Jones and it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Themis wrote:Jim Jones example. Still going over his head. I hide good intents as a believer with no intentions to stop. I did only because I could see the method was flawed and to much evidence showing the church was not what it claims. I am very comfortable that a good God would say I did the right thing. My intention shave always been to to and believe what I think and hope is right and true. People like you need to believe otherwise. What ever.
The scriptures state that. It has nothing to do with "groups" or Jim Jones. You brought up Jim Jones for no good reason at all.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Themis wrote:Jim Jones example. Still going over his head. I hide good intents as a believer with no intentions to stop. I did only because I could see the method was flawed and to much evidence showing the church was not what it claims. I am very comfortable that a good God would say I did the right thing. My intention shave always been to to and believe what I think and hope is right and true. People like you need to believe otherwise. What ever.
Again, wrong. Doing what is right and diligently seeking and speaking with God is all I'm talking about. You brought up Jim Jones and it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
And yet that is the complete opposite of what you were doing when some chap turned up and introduced Himself as God. Go figure...
This guy thought he was speaking to someone too...
A father who has admitted killing six people, including his wife and two children, is still "hearing voices inside his head", a court has heard. Damian Rzeszowski, 31, a Polish immigrant who was living in Jersey, is on trial for the murders of his wife Izabella, 30, his daughter Kinga, five, and his son Kacper, two.
He is also accused of stabbing his father-in-law Marek Garstka, 56, as well as family friend Marta de la Haye, 34 and her little girl Julia, five.
The attacks took place at Rzeszowski's flat in St Helier.
A psychiatric consultant, Dr Dale Harrison, who treated Rzeszowski in the aftermath of the attacks, said the defendant continued to "hear voices inside his head".
Sky News
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“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Themis wrote:Jim Jones example. Still going over his head. I hide good intents as a believer with no intentions to stop. I did only because I could see the method was flawed and to much evidence showing the church was not what it claims. I am very comfortable that a good God would say I did the right thing. My intention shave always been to to and believe what I think and hope is right and true. People like you need to believe otherwise. What ever.
The scriptures state that. It has nothing to do with "groups" or Jim Jones. You brought up Jim Jones for no good reason at all.
Who's scriptures?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Tobin wrote: No, it didn't go over my head. You just don't understand what I'm saying is all. One should seek and speak with God and do what God says to do. Your assumption is that you should be Mormon (or follow Jim Jones in your example) then ask God if that is right. That is what is stupid.
Still going over your head. I never said any such thing. The example is based on you saying one should never stop trying, but other groups like Jim Jones can say the same thing. You can say the same thing about Xenu, Zues, etc.
And if that is what you want to do and are convinced that is the right thing - go for it. But don't state you were a faithful follower of 'X' and then later state otherwise. You are simply not a faithful follower of 'X'. You are anything but that.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Themis wrote:Jim Jones example. Still going over his head. I hide good intents as a believer with no intentions to stop. I did only because I could see the method was flawed and to much evidence showing the church was not what it claims. I am very comfortable that a good God would say I did the right thing. My intention shave always been to to and believe what I think and hope is right and true. People like you need to believe otherwise. What ever.
Again, wrong. Doing what is right and diligently seeking and speaking with God is all I'm talking about. You brought up Jim Jones and it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
Still going over your head. Like I said God would know my intentions have always been good. You need to believe otherwise. What ever
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Tobin wrote: And if that is what you want to do and are convinced that is the right thing - go for it. But don't state you were a faithful follower of 'X' and then later state otherwise. You are simply not a faithful follower of 'X'. You are anything but that.
I never sated I was a currently faithful follower of the church. You still are not. I follow what I think is true, and base it on as much information as I can get from any source. I just think your attitude does not fit one who supposedly has seen God and changed his ways.
I was a faithful follower for decades though. Somehow not believing now makes me then either. Crazy logic going on here.
Tobin wrote: And if that is what you want to do and are convinced that is the right thing - go for it. But don't state you were a faithful follower of 'X' and then later state otherwise. You are simply not a faithful follower of 'X'. You are anything but that.
I never sated I was a currently faithful follower of the church. You still are not. I follow what I think is true, and base it on as much information as I can get from any source. I just think your attitude does not fit one who supposedly has seen God and changed his ways.
I was a faithful follower for decades though. Somehow not believing now makes me then either. Crazy logic going on here.
Well if you can't recognize a follower of God by them asking you to seek and speak with God and follow him - then you have bigger problems than me.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom