Is the Internet Confounding the Revision of History

[_GoodK]

of course, you are one of those people who lives to debate, ....as I said, I'm not into it.
you are certainly free to dismiss Wayne May without checking out his books, dvd, or hearing him yourself.

What books? What DVD? You mean the DVD you said may be coming out soon?

[_hopeofzion]

I own three of his books. They are at home. I am work. So, I can't give you the titles. I figured if you looked around on his website you'd see them. He has put out a DVD previously... but it was a very low quality, and of his very first presentation, and seemed to have considerably less information on it than we had gotten last year when he came to the Kansas City area. I would wait for the new DVD, if you want a DVD.

[_GoodK]

I own three of his books. They are at home. I am work. So, I can't give you the titles. I figured if you looked around on his website you'd see them. He has put out a DVD previously... but it was a very low quality, and of his very first presentation, and seemed to have considerably less information on it than we had gotten last year when he came to the Kansas City area. I would wait for the new DVD, if you want a DVD.

Tell me which book to is the most substantial and important and I'll take a look.

I know you don't want to screw up any of the details, but this conversation would be a lot more interesting if you just presented what you felt were the most compelling arguments here.
If I said Sam Harris presented the most legitimate, scientific, reasonable, and uncontestable argument against God, any normal human being would say, "Prove it." Or, "Let's see this argument."
If I was in fact telling the truth, or at least believed I was telling the truth, I would be anxious to post a link, a quotation, or at least a summary of the major points Harris makes. In fact, most people do do that. Go to the other threads, especially the "On Topic" threads, and find quotations ad naseum.

This is all just my opinion, of course, and you could have great reasons for not sharing your information.

But if you're not here to debate, and not here to share your knowledge, I guess I don't really understand your purpose.

[_hopeofzion]

I wouldn't pick one over the other.
It's a three volume series called "This Land"
They offer all three books in a package deal.
You can purchase them here:
http://www.hillcumorahhistory.com/orderpages.html

As far as your desire for me to make the best case I can for my favorite arguments / evidences presented by Wayne May...
1. I didn't come here to make that argument, and...
2. I don't feel it is something I should attempt to do.
3. It appears you have your mind set against it anyway.
4. I couldn't do it justice, without the photos, maps, and visual presentation of actual archaeological finds.

As I said, I'm not into debating the merits of one argument or the other.
I would simply share that I was raised with the Central American theory. I wasn't against it, even though much of it never quite jived with my soul (in a rather unconscious way). I have not read every source on it, but I have seen and read much on it in my 39 years of life.

Last year I heard about this LDS Mormon presenting a North American theory, and I thought it might be interesting to hear. I had never really thought about the Book of Mormon lands being in North America before, either. I thought it was maybe in Central America, but that some of the lost cities and finds just weren't from the Nephites.

When I left the presentation, I was a convert.

I have not once since that time taken it as my mission to convert others to that belief. I am content to believe it myself, allow others to believe as they will, but occassionally offer it up as another possibility. I direct any who are interested in it to seek out Wayne May's materials, as this is his calling and purpose, not mine. I have been called to witness of other things.

[_hopeofzion]

There are other things I would be glad to talk about.
The gathering of the tribes of Israel and Zion, for example! :) I'm co-authoring a book on this topic.
The gathering into ONE of all those who are His... whether they are Mormon or not.

[_GoodK]

I wouldn't pick one over the other.
It's a three volume series called "This Land"
They offer all three books in a package deal.
You can purchase them here:
http://www.hillcumorahhistory.com/orderpages.html

As far as your desire for me to make the best case I can for my favorite arguments / evidences presented by Wayne May...
1. I didn't come here to make that argument, and...
2. I don't feel it is something I should attempt to do.
3. It appears you have your mind set against it anyway.
4. I couldn't do it justice, without the photos, maps, and visual presentation of actual archaeological finds.

As I said, I'm not into debating the merits of one argument or the other.
I would simply share that I was raised with the Central American theory. I wasn't against it, even though much of it never quite jived with my soul (in a rather unconscious way). I have not read every source on it, but I have seen and read much on it in my 39 years of life.

Last year I heard about this LDS Mormon presenting a North American theory, and I thought it might be interesting to hear. I had never really thought about the Book of Mormon lands being in North America before, either. I thought it was maybe in Central America, but that some of the lost cities and finds just weren't from the Nephites.

When I left the presentation, I was a convert.

I have not once since that time taken it as my mission to convert others to that belief. I am content to believe it myself, allow others to believe as they will, but occassionally offer it up as another possibility. I direct any who are interested in it to seek out Wayne May's materials, as this is his calling and purpose, not mine. I have been called to witness of other things.

**SIGH**

You are doing a good job here as Mr. May's publicist. Hopefully he's paying you well for it.

[_hopeofzion]

On the contrary dear!

It is you, and not I, who is keeping this alive.

I have tried to change the subject a couple of times now.

I never even mentioned Wayne May until you questioned me about why I would believe North America to be the setting for the Book of Mormon, which was itself, just a side item I mentioned in passing when discussing another topic entirely.

:)

You can be as frustrated as you want to be, and you can keep dangling the bait to get me debate this with you, but I just don't feel like I should or that it would be productive at all. I would possibly be interested in "discussing" other subjects that I am very passionate about.

[_GoodK]

It is you, and not I, who is keeping this alive.

Unfortunately I thought I was talking to someone who had something to say. I didn't realize you were only here to promote Wayne May.
You can make all the excuses you want as to why you won't explain what you keep hinting at, trying to get us to buy his material, it's childish and we can all see through it. Which is why I was so dismissive of you from the very beginning, people who pretend to know things usually don't care for much for evidence, reason, or logic.

I have tried to change the subject a couple of times now.

Yes you have. I understand that you may be used to preaching to the choir, but it says a lot about the subject and yourself if you have to try and change it when someone presses the issue.

I never even mentioned Wayne May until you questioned me about why I would believe North America to be the setting for the Book of Mormon, which was itself, just a side item I mentioned in passing when discussing another topic entirely.

Nice try. This is simply false, my friend. Just click back to page 3 of this thread and you'll find you brought him up all on your own before I joined this silly conversation.

Here:

His name is Wayne May. He came to Kansas City area, and spoke in an RLDS branch. I was invited by a friend, and his presentation absolutely blew me away.
It's hard to explain. I never doubted the Book of Mormon, but I never felt comfortable with the images of pyramids, glyphs, and other archaeological evidences from Central America. It all seemed somehow foreign...
So, I went on with my belief in the Book of Mormon in faith, simply setting aside the archeology...until I saw Wayne May's presentation. It was a little like always believing in God all your life, but then dying and actually meeting Him.
It was awesome.

You are comparing seeing Wayne May with meeting God? Wow.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if you are in fact Wayne May, doing some shameless self-promotion.

[_hopeofzion]

Alright, whatever. :)
It seems I might have had you pegged right as well.
Go in peace sister. Hope you find what you're looking for.

[_GoodK]

Alright, whatever. :)
It seems I might have had you pegged right as well.
Go in peace sister. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Thanks for your contributions here. You've certainly enlightened us...