Did we have a pre-premortal existence?

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son of Ishmael wrote:So when God tells you to wipe out a village and kill all of the people in it , you should do it. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)


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Franktalk wrote:
son of Ishmael wrote:So when God tells you to wipe out a village and kill all of the people in it , you should do it. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)


Yes



So if next October, President Monson got up and said that members of the church should go out and kill all homosexuals you would go over to Shulem's house and kill him?
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Drifting wrote:Okay, but Prophets listened to him and heard two different, contradictory things.
1. Polygamy is a commandment
2. Polygamy is abonimable

Wish He'd make His mind up...


The abominations which David and Solomon committed before the Lord were not in the act of polygamy itself; but rather what they specifically did which the Lord had commanded them NOT to do:

1 Kings 11:1-10 (KJV) (emphasis is mine)

1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:

2 Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.

5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.

7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

9 And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the Lord God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the Lord commanded.


Also, see 2 Samuel chapter 11 where David has an affair with Bathsheba who was then married to Uriah. . David arranges for the death of Uriah and spills innocent blood.

God is not being contradictory. As usual, it is man who screws up.

Blessings,

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Jo,

Are you saying that God did not (does not) approve of polygamy?
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son of Ishmael wrote:Jo,

Are you saying that God did not (does not) approve of polygamy?


Son of Ishmael,

Yes AND no; it depends upon whether polygamy is a commandment at the time man is practicing polygamy. Additionally, during times when it is a commandment, the boundaries which God sets up need to be followed in order for His purposes for the commandment to be fulfilled. If man steps outside of those boundaries, then he commits sin. Sin is an abomination to God.

Blessings,

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son of Ishmael wrote:So if next October, President Monson got up and said that members of the church should go out and kill all homosexuals you would go over to Shulem's house and kill him?


You may confuse God with President Monson but I do not.
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Why would anyone worship a god who asks for the wholesale massacre of innocents?
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SteelHead wrote:Why would anyone worship a god who asks for the wholesale massacre of innocents?


The only god I know of that would do that would be the temporary god of the earth. That would be Satan. I will not defend that statement. You know that casting pearls thingy.
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Franktalk wrote:
son of Ishmael wrote:So if next October, President Monson got up and said that members of the church should go out and kill all homosexuals you would go over to Shulem's house and kill him?


You may confuse God with President Monson but I do not.


President Monson speaks for God doesn’t he? . But I will change my question. If God told you to kill all homosexuals would you do it?
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jo1952 wrote:
son of Ishmael wrote:Jo,

Are you saying that God did not (does not) approve of polygamy?


Son of Ishmael,

Yes AND no; it depends upon whether polygamy is a commandment at the time man is practicing polygamy. Additionally, during times when it is a commandment, the boundaries which God sets up need to be followed in order for His purposes for the commandment to be fulfilled. If man steps outside of those boundaries, then he commits sin. Sin is an abomination to God.

Blessings,

jo



Jo,

Thanks. Do you think Joseph Smith stepped out of those boundaries?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude

Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
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