Noah's Ark questions

[_Maksutov]

Well according to spg, Adam rose out of Africa and separated himself from the black folk, moving him and the white folk to Europe. Seems a theory racist as all get out, but no one called him on it. So the implied purpose of Adams was to be white and delight some?

I didn't pay much attention to him. He seems like a new Franktalk. Here is an interesting article about it.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Adam is just a fictional character of a story to explain how humans came about. Joseph believed in a young earth and the biblical story, so he came up with revelations to attach to Adam that he was a real person. This is why we see some LDS apologia to make this fit somehow. It becomes impossible to make these obvious fictional stories fit into an old world with humans running around long before 6000 years ago. Adam is no longer needed.

As with other writers of apocrypha, Smith wove his own elements into existing scripture and stories and images from his milieu to produce a new synthesis. Attaching accepted-as-historical figures like Adam and Jesus was supposed to make his invented characters more believable. Sort of like historical fiction does routinely.

[_Lemmie]

Emma had a larger part in obtaining the book then Church History tells. She supported him in getting the book, might have even helped. I really don't know what the other tools were, the urim an thummim. But the book had the energy and the story and Joseph was able to "discern" that contents. He and Emma were very intent on their work and seemed to have no guile in their intent.

Is this based on some evidence? Or are you stating this as your opinion of the process?

[_Themis]

Attaching accepted-as-historical figures like Adam and Jesus was supposed to make his invented characters more believable.

I agree that this was Joseph's intention, which worked well for the world he lived in. It becomes a huge problems for people today who recognize just how unlikely certain biblical figures are as real people. For Christians many of them are easy enough to see as fictional, but not easy for LDS because of Joseph's many revelations attaching them to being real people. How do you make Adam be a real person in a world of humans being around long before him? It destroys his story and purpose for being. Don't need to use a rib for Eve, or have a tree of knowledge. Are we really going to think the humans before 6000 years ago didn't know any right from wrong? Did they have no concept of being naked? Did God really need to transport some Noah guy the the middle east? Was Noah a white guy or a Native American? And on and on we go...

[_SPG]

Well according to spg, Adam rose out of Africa and separated himself from the black folk, moving him and the white folk to Europe. Seems a theory racist as all get out, but no one called him on it. So the implied purpose of Adams was to be white and delight some?

I didn't pay much attention to him. He seems like a new Franktalk. Here is an interesting article about it.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Adam is just a fictional character of a story to explain how humans came about. Joseph believed in a young earth and the biblical story, so he came up with revelations to attach to Adam that he was a real person. This is why we see some LDS apologia to make this fit somehow. It becomes impossible to make these obvious fictional stories fit into an old world with humans running around long before 6000 years ago. Adam is no longer needed.

You don't pay attention to SPG? Just so you know, some people died today that did not offend me so much. I don't know who they are, but people died.

And I was not implying that Adam turned white so much as his children did. I don't believe in the 6000 year thing. I think the whole process might have taken 150,000 years.

Theories change all the time. I also believe the aquatic ape theory. I cannot keep track of all the latest accepted stories. Basically I think it took about 20,000 years to turn white. And I think that happened was because of the hole in the ozone layer is not as bad on the north side.

I think Adam was a symbol. But, spirit is often explained with symbols. So I still think of Adam and Eve as people. But when I say that Adam was kicked out and moved north, that might have taken 10,000 years of slowly moving. I have my theories, but they are not to compete with current European culture theories. My goal is to understand the spiritual energy behind the development of the Europeans.

And who is "Franktalk?"

[_SPG]

Emma had a larger part in obtaining the book then Church History tells. She supported him in getting the book, might have even helped. I really don't know what the other tools were, the urim an thummim. But the book had the energy and the story and Joseph was able to "discern" that contents. He and Emma were very intent on their work and seemed to have no guile in their intent.

Is this based on some evidence? Or are you stating this as your opinion of the process?

I found some accounts in the BYU archives that were fairly decent. They accounted how Joseph Smith became fascinated with the "secrets of revelation" and got his seerstone, after he saw a girl at school with one.

It's hard to tell exactly how he got on to the track of the Book of Mormon, but it became an obsession. But according to the story she went with him each time, but stood some off. The ritual to get the book required the same time each year. There were some details about his impressions of Moroni that were interesting. I don't remember all the things, but his impression of Moroni charged as history told the story.

They said the struggle to get the book was ......intense.

[_Maksutov]

And who is "Franktalk?"

He's posting on some current threads. You should give him a read.

[_Themis]

You don't pay attention to SPG? Just so you know, some people died today that did not offend me so much. I don't know who they are, but people died.

And I was not implying that Adam turned white so much as his children did. I don't believe in the 6000 year thing. I think the whole process might have taken 150,000 years.

Theories change all the time. I also believe the aquatic ape theory. I cannot keep track of all the latest accepted stories. Basically I think it took about 20,000 years to turn white. And I think that happened was because of the hole in the ozone layer is not as bad on the north side.

I think Adam was a symbol. But, spirit is often explained with symbols. So I still think of Adam and Eve as people. But when I say that Adam was kicked out and moved north, that might have taken 10,000 years of slowly moving. I have my theories, but they are not to compete with current European culture theories. My goal is to understand the spiritual energy behind the development of the Europeans.

And who is "Franktalk?"

Franktalk is a poster who also opinions on many things I have no idea how he would know. You seem to post in similar manners, but I realize I could be wrong. If you read my link they do discuss reasons for why we find lighter skinned humans in Europe.

[_SPG]

Franktalk is a poster who also opinions on many things I have no idea how he would know. You seem to post in similar manners, but I realize I could be wrong. If you read my link they do discuss reasons for why we find lighter skinned humans in Europe.

I read your link. Like I said, so many theories.

I have read the theory about milk too. One of many. I don't really care which version is right, for chances are that they are all wrong.

if you consider for a moment Chaos Theory you might think that anything could happen. Sort of like if Homer Simpson went back in time 1 million years and slapped a mosquito that it might rain jelly donut everyday. But there seems to be a truth and place that guides and directs the nature of events. So even if you went back and say killed half of the human race 20000 years ago things might be very similar to what they are today.

For example, what if Moses had not rebelled against the pharaoh? Would a cult similar to Christianity still have evolved? Because something similar happened with the Asians and the Africans. So even if Moses had never been born things might have turned out very much the same.

My idea is that there is something real in the biblical stories. that there is something in those stories that tells us who we are. Even if the storytellers were different I think the story would come out much the same. For example the idea of a son of God going into the underworld to fight death and return to the living has appeared many times throughout history. But the story of reincarnation would also explain that story.

I believe there is a spiritual Realm filled with life and opinions and that they can influence us. I do not understand completely the relationship. But there is a strong desire in me to understand it.

[_SteelHead]

You do know that the Exodus...... never happened, right?

[_Lemmie]

Emma had a larger part in obtaining the book then Church History tells. She supported him in getting the book, might have even helped. I really don't know what the other tools were, the urim an thummim. But the book had the energy and the story and Joseph was able to "discern" that contents. He and Emma were very intent on their work and seemed to have no guile in their intent.

Is this based on some evidence? Or are you stating this as your opinion of the process?

I found some accounts in the BYU archives that were fairly decent. They accounted how Joseph Smith became fascinated with the "secrets of revelation" and got his seerstone, after he saw a girl at school with one.

It's hard to tell exactly how he got on to the track of the Book of Mormon, but it became an obsession. But according to the story she went with him each time, but stood some off. The ritual to get the book required the same time each year. There were some details about his impressions of Moroni that were interesting. I don't remember all the things, but his impression of Moroni charged as history told the story.

They said the struggle to get the book was ......intense.

Link?