Mormon Infobia...

[_Franktalk]

I see the emotions run high on some issues. If indeed some have left the church because they feel they need to that is fine, good luck on your new path. But why is it that some of those people act as activist against believing LDS. They seem to feel they have a duty and responsibility to correct errors that they have uncovered. But why attack the LDS church. The RCC has a much more sorted past and should be easy to drop the faith of any Catholic. But since the reformation people have been trying hard to bring the RCC down. Yet it is just fine. In fact if the ability to burn people at the stake was still in effect I am pretty sure that most of the anti's would be devote Catholics. It is so easy to cast stones from the comfort of ones own easy chair. But if you were standing on a wood pile waiting for the fire would you be so sure?

[_RockSlider]

I see the emotions run high on some issues. If indeed some have left the church because they feel they need to that is fine, good luck on your new path. But why is it that some of those people act as activist against believing LDS. They seem to feel they have a duty and responsibility to correct errors that they have uncovered. But why attack the LDS church. The RCC has a much more sorted past and should be easy to drop the faith of any Catholic. But since the reformation people have been trying hard to bring the RCC down. Yet it is just fine. In fact if the ability to burn people at the stake was still in effect I am pretty sure that most of the anti's would be devote Catholics. It is so easy to cast stones from the comfort of ones own easy chair. But if you were standing on a wood pile waiting for the fire would you be so sure?

I'm not so sure there are many on this board, which I would label as "activist against believing LDS". Only a few come to mind that would label their self as such.

Consider this concept. As a child I touched the stove and got burnt. As a parent, or a sibling, or a friend I may instinctually want to warn them of the hot stove before they find out from their own experience.

As a Father that raised my children teaching them the stove would not burn them, I'm even more conflicted.

[_Franktalk]

Consider this concept. As a child I touched the stove and got burnt. As a parent, or a sibling, or a friend I may instinctually want to warn them of the hot stove before they find out from their own experience.

As a Father that raised my children teaching them the stove would not burn them, I'm even more conflicted.

Oh come now, the church is a stove that burns? So no choice is involved, it is cut and dry. Faith is meaningless because the burn is real. Your analogy is terrible.

[_Runtu]

Oh come now, the church is a stove that burns? So no choice is involved, it is cut and dry. Faith is meaningless because the burn is real. Your analogy is terrible.

The church obviously works for some people. It didn't for me. I'm not interested in destroying people's faith in the church, but I don't want my kids growing up with the pain and emotional damage I did. So, I am not teaching my kids that the church is bad, and they are free to make their own decisions about it. But I am talking to them about some of the church's more damaging teachings and how they don't have to internalize them like I did.

[_Franktalk]

I have determined that all of the people who leave the LDS church are weak and as such would bow to any power that comes along. I have researched this and it is a fact that all of the weak of faith will blow in the wind and will follow anyone who offers them comfort.

But if we turn this around:

We have determined that if members knew what we know they would leave the church. We have researched this and anyone who learns what we know will be doing them self a favor by leaving the church. The things we learned are facts and as such are not to be questioned. Anyone who leaves the church is smart and seeks the truth. They will all be comforted in their new understanding. Anyone who stays in the church is stupid and blind.

Or even:

Evil people have invaded the LDS church with the intent of destroying the faith of the members. They have pretended to be members so their false arguments could be spread around and poison the faithful saints. They have distorted the church history with fabricated data and false arguments. They seek the weak in spirit so they can pull as many as they can from the church.

As someone who is sitting on the sidelines this fight has an underbelly that is not pretty. I do believe that the weak in faith can and do blow in the wind. If there is a fight for the weak in faith then the world will win, it always does when we talk world and not faith. So be it. The church should pick the path of openness and let the chips fall where they fall. The truth will survive anything. But if the church changes to adapt to the world then there is no more church.

[_Franktalk]

The church obviously works for some people. It didn't for me. I'm not interested in destroying people's faith in the church, but I don't want my kids growing up with the pain and emotional damage I did. So, I am not teaching my kids that the church is bad, and they are free to make their own decisions about it. But I am talking to them about some of the church's more damaging teachings and how they don't have to internalize them like I did.

Could you give me a list of what you see as damaging teachings. I will study them over the months and let you know how I feel about them.

[_Runtu]

Could you give me a list of what you see as damaging teachings. I will study them over the months and let you know how I feel about them.

Oh, I could think of a lot. I guess I'd start with perfectionism, over-use of guilt, obsession with sex, and the notion that grace is something you have to earn.

[_Runtu]

I have determined that all of the people who leave the LDS church are weak and as such would bow to any power that comes along. I have researched this and it is a fact that all of the weak of faith will blow in the wind and will follow anyone who offers them comfort.

But if we turn this around:

We have determined that if members knew what we know they would leave the church. We have researched this and anyone who learns what we know will be doing them self a favor by leaving the church. The things we learned are facts and as such are not to be questioned. Anyone who leaves the church is smart and seeks the truth. They will all be comforted in their new understanding. Anyone who stays in the church is stupid and blind.

I don't believe that at all. I believe most people do the best they can with what they know. I came to the painful conclusion that the church isn't true, but I respect those who have come to different conclusions than mine.

[_ldsfaqs]

Could you give me a list of what you see as damaging teachings. I will study them over the months and let you know how I feel about them.

Oh, I could think of a lot. I guess I'd start with perfectionism, over-use of guilt, obsession with sex, and the notion that grace is something you have to earn.

How stupid.....

You are a classic rebellious teenager, and you really think you're judging things based on "truth"?

1. There is nothing wrong with "perfectionism", however you clearly missed the lessons that we are to be humble, patient, and turn ourselves over to God for his grace, so "perfectionism" is not the goal, but to simply go forward in faith, that we are going to make mistakes and it's okay.

Perfect example of why most leave the Church..... They start having false judgments of it, and then the false judgments of it's history come after.

2. Again, we are to have some "guilt", but clearly you missed the other lesson in which we are to have joy in the Gospel, that guilt isn't the motivator. Again, classic false judgment of the atheist against religion, but especially false against Mormonism. "Guilt" isn't emphasized at all in Mormonism, especially compared to other religions.

3. What "obsession" do we have with sex.....? Again, just a rebellious teenager/child.....
Yes, there is some emphasis for the youth in trying to help them remain chase, because that is when they are most vulnerable, and it effects their entire lives, but please, there is little emphasis on sex in the Church.

4. Again, more anti-mormon false judgments. Grace is not "earned" and never has been. Again, you clearly missed half of Mormonism to make such a false judgment. Grace is a free gift..... the only thing that is "earned" is that we must be prepared and worthy to receive it. Grace doesn't come to the person that could give a crap..... Get with the program.

Do you really think you are going to understand and receive things that are the FURTHEST from your heart and thoughts?

You falsely pre-judge the church according to the prejudices and ignorance of youth, and you have the gall to claim yourself a truth teller about the Church? You have a LOT to learn child....

[_ldsfaqs]

I don't believe that at all. I believe most people do the best they can with what they know. I came to the painful conclusion that the church isn't true, but I respect those who have come to different conclusions than mine.

Stop LYING to yourself let alone the rest of us.....

You have NO RESPECT for the Church nor the rest of us Mormons. I see it every day, in almost every post you make. You live in fantasy land about yourself.