Blasphemy or Biblical?
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Well, I'm not convinced that one who is merely sleeping has an actual OBE.
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gdemetz wrote:Well, I'm not convinced that one who is merely sleeping has an actual OBE.
Exactly. You are only convinced by the minority experiences that coincide with what you already want to believe. The majority of experiences don't coincide with what you already want to believe so you discount them out of hand.
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No! How does someone sleeping qualify as an OBE?!?
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gdemetz wrote:No! How does someone sleeping qualify as an OBE?!?

Good one, that made me *snort* in a good way.
You take my point though. You want to believe the minority who experience an OBE that is consistent with your belief in an afterlife. Those people, who under the same physical conditions and who are in a majority, who experience nothing, you discount because it doesn't provide you with the confirmation of what you want to believe. It's inescapable.
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What a leap! I'm talking about actual OBE's.
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gdemetz wrote:What a leap! I'm talking about actual OBE's.
Why have you stopped talking about NDE's?
The same applies though.
An extreme minority of the human race report experiencing OBE's yet you choose to accept their experiences rather than the overwhelming amount of people who report no such thing. You do so because the minority experience something that confirms a belief in the afterlife that you already hold.
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I think that perhaps NDE's are somewhat different than OBE's.
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gdemetz wrote:I think that perhaps NDE's are somewhat different than OBE's.
Sorry, I went back and added. See above.
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See what above?
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Drifting wrote:gdemetz wrote:What a leap! I'm talking about actual OBE's.
Why have you stopped talking about NDE's?
The same applies though.
An extreme minority of the human race report experiencing OBE's yet you choose to accept their experiences rather than the overwhelming amount of people who report no such thing. You do so because the minority experience something that confirms a belief in the afterlife that you already hold.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
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