Jonah and the Whale

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_gdemetz
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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Actually, the literal translation of the creature in question is "great fish," according to some commentaries. The time period was supposedly about the same time period that Christ was in the tomb (late Friday afternoon until Sunday Morning (the third day). Interestingly, there was a man in modern times who had a similar experience (see "Swallowed by a Whale").
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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gdemetz wrote: Interestingly, there was a man in modern times who had a similar experience (see "Swallowed by a Whale").


Good elohim...please tell me you are not referring to the "Star of the East" story...I am thinking you and that goof, Zakuska (or something like that), over on the MDD board would get along famously...He uses childrens picture books to support his chosen set of LDS mythologies...
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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Star of the East? Anyhow, I gave the reference, and if can be shown to be a false story, I have an open mind. Please feel free to do so!
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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gdemetz wrote:(see "Swallowed by a Whale").


False (it was the Star of the East story referenced by Screech):

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... -and-lived

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/n/newjonah.htm

(gdemetz I want to converse with you, but really you have to learn to back up your posts with links and learn to use the quote feature every time.)
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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gdemetz wrote:Star of the East? Anyhow, I gave the reference, and if can be shown to be a false story, I have an open mind. Please feel free to do so!


From one of the links given above...

The result of Davis's research was that he could not find any credible evidence to support the James Bartley story. 
In fact, he found evidence which made the story seem more questionable. 
He checked out a report that Bartley had been treated at a London hospital for the effects of the whale's gastric juices on his skin, but could not find any substantiation for it. 
When he read through the documents about the particular voyage during which the alleged whale incident happened, James Bartley was not listed as a crew member.

More damaging to the story was a letter written by the wife of the captain of the 'Star of the East,' Mrs John Killam. 
The contents of her letter were published in 1907 in 'The Expository Times' by a reader who had corresponded with Mrs Killam about the whale story. 
She said, "There is not one word of truth to the whale story.  I was with my husband all the years he was in the Star of the East.  There was never a man lost overboard while my husband was with her.  The sailor has told a great sea yarn."


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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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Look, no one is going to survive 3 days in a whale without food and drink. The acids will eat your skin and put you in shock. There is not enough air to breathe and the toxic waste from your own body would poison you. The whole thing is a rediculous story made up by religious kooks in an age where electricity and the marvelous wonders of science were completely unknow.

Honestly, if you think you could survive in a whale -- go jump in the ocean and wait for one to swallow you up and see for yourself if you make it three days -- and pray all you want while doing so. Oh, I know, God can do miracles. Riiiiiiiight. Just forget the story and chalk it up as a religious faith promoting story to get people to toe the line.

And, get real, folks.

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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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gdemetz wrote:Star of the East? Anyhow, I gave the reference, and if can be shown to be a false story, I have an open mind. Please feel free to do so!


It looks like people have dealt with it again, but i suspect nothing short of absolute proof will suffice for you.

Now you have to be THE laziest poster I have seen. IF you cannot figure out how to use the quote and link features just ask, and some of us can help you.
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Themis wrote:It looks like people have dealt with it again, but i suspect nothing short of absolute proof will suffice for you.

Now you have to be THE laziest poster I have seen. IF you cannot figure out how to use the quote and link features just ask, and some of us can help you.


I am starting to think he knows how to post quotes and links but doing so would actually require him to find links that support what he chooses to believe. Its much easier to just ignorantly vandalize these boards with his LDS ingrained nonsense.
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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schreech wrote:
Themis wrote:It looks like people have dealt with it again, but i suspect nothing short of absolute proof will suffice for you.

Now you have to be THE laziest poster I have seen. IF you cannot figure out how to use the quote and link features just ask, and some of us can help you.


I am starting to think he knows how to post quotes and links but doing so would actually require him to find links that support what he chooses to believe. Its much easier to just ignorantly vandalize these boards with his LDS ingrained nonsense.


As am I. It's way to easy to figure out this stuff.
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Re: Jonah and the Whale

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If you read my statements carefully, I never stated that I accepted the Bartlet story as factual. I said that I had an open mind concerning that. However, I, like Christ, do believe in the miracle of Jonah and the great "fish." Which is harder to believe in; raising someone from the dead, healing a blind from birth, of keeping alive a man in a great fish? I suspect that you anti Christs do not believe in any of them anyhow.
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