Answers to Creationist Attacks on C-14 Dating

[_huckelberry]

Sure, but if God is getting involved and changing DNA and such to move change until 6000 year ago then natural selection is not going on. If you have a God who just started it with with the various laws in place knowing where it will all end up then you can have what we define as natural selection.


Traditional Christianity has a different time line then you.

Traditional Christianity may for different people have different referent point. Ill check the Catachism of the Catholic Church. It is the most traditional.

I find , (reminds me that some of my best ideas about Christianity are not very original)

310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better. But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying toward is ultimate perfection In God's plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others , the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect , both constructive and destructive forces of nature.

preceded by,
283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos , the development of life forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon the can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me.

The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically or when man appeared but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin.

[_Maksutov]

LittleNipper.

NO! A fact is just an observation. Our sun is an observation. That is a fact. A Theory is the best explanation we currently have of that fact. That our sun is a giant ball of super-heated gas is the Theory. There is no collection of observations and/or theories that comes close to explaining a global flood during any time in human history.
SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

We can observe what the sun does. We cannot dismantle the sun to see how it actually works.

That's why we investigate it, Nipper, instead of just repeating old fables about it. We know quite a lot about the Sun now. And who observes it? Priests and preachers, praying for information about it? Try people with telescopes, spectroscopes, filters, computers, probes and satellites, watching it over time and even in stereo, because we've also learned that activity on the Sun can be a threat to life on Earth. We've also learned to predict solar eclipses, something that stumped your brilliant prophets. There will be a total solar eclipse through much of the United States in August of this year but this is only the theories of men mingled with mathematics and centuries of practical experience.

[_Maksutov]

LittleNipper.

NO! A fact is just an observation. Our sun is an observation. That is a fact. A Theory is the best explanation we currently have of that fact. That our sun is a giant ball of super-heated gas is the Theory. There is no collection of observations and/or theories that comes close to explaining a global flood during any time in human history.
SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

So, go develop one (regarding:There is no collection of observations and/or theories that comes close to explaining a global flood during any time in human history). I wont stop you but you will receive only insults from evolutionists and absolutely no encouragement or funding --- unlike evolutionists.

What are you trying to say here? You're incoherent. That you can't prove a flood because you don't have enough money? You need evidence, Nipper. Money is what you use to build a fake Ark in Kentucky. Evidence is what you use to prove one ever existed thousands of years ago. And a book that's plagiarizing another book isn't evidence, sorry.

[_LittleNipper]

We can observe what the sun does. We cannot dismantle the sun to see how it actually works.

That's why we investigate it, Nipper, instead of just repeating old fables about it. We know quite a lot about the Sun now. And who observes it? Priests and preachers, praying for information about it? Try people with telescopes, spectroscopes, filters, computers, probes and satellites, watching it over time and even in stereo, because we've also learned that activity on the Sun can be a threat to life on Earth. We've also learned to predict solar eclipses, something that stumped your brilliant prophets. There will be a total solar eclipse through much of the United States in August of this year but this is only the theories of men mingled with mathematics and centuries of practical experience.

How much time have you spent investigating anything, instead of just repeating the ramblings of secular humanists? I've provided former atheists, former evolutionists, Christian scientists, pictures of sites, unexplained anomalies --- yet it is all for naught where you are concerned. I am wasting my time on your stubbornness. Believe what you will and I will pray that you look beyond your classroom lessons.

[_Maksutov]

That's why we investigate it, Nipper, instead of just repeating old fables about it. We know quite a lot about the Sun now. And who observes it? Priests and preachers, praying for information about it? Try people with telescopes, spectroscopes, filters, computers, probes and satellites, watching it over time and even in stereo, because we've also learned that activity on the Sun can be a threat to life on Earth. We've also learned to predict solar eclipses, something that stumped your brilliant prophets. There will be a total solar eclipse through much of the United States in August of this year but this is only the theories of men mingled with mathematics and centuries of practical experience.

How much time have you spent investigating anything, instead of just repeating the ramblings of secular humanists? I've provided former atheists, former evolutionists, Christian scientists, pictures of sites, unexplained anomalies --- yet it is all for naught where you are concerned. I am wasting my time on your stubbornness. Believe what you will and I will pray that you look beyond your classroom lessons.

Dude. You cut and paste. You don't investigate. I've been reading history, biology, astronomy, geology, other religious texts, creationist pseudoscience, etc. I've been an amateur astronomer for fifty years and own a telescope bigger than me and I know how to use it. I take photographs of planets and nebulae, all this stuff your precious book didn't talk about, documenting a universe your prophets couldn't have even dreamed of in their squalid desert hovels. And I don't pretend to know enough and I will keep on learning.

And you will keep on cutting and pasting. And praying. And preaching. And cutting and pasting. And praying and preaching. No change. No learning. No exploration. A machine in the service of a sect. Bless you, good and faithful machine.

[_LittleNipper]

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So, go develop one (regarding:There is no collection of observations and/or theories that comes close to explaining a global flood during any time in human history). I wont stop you but you will receive only insults from evolutionists and absolutely no encouragement or funding --- unlike evolutionists.

What are you trying to say here? You're incoherent. That you can't prove a flood because you don't have enough money? You need evidence, Nipper. Money is what you use to build a fake Ark in Kentucky. Evidence is what you use to prove one ever existed thousands of years ago. And a book that's plagiarizing another book isn't evidence, sorry.

The ark was not ROUND. It's Biblical specification precisely fit the Fibonacci spiral. The oral tradition far surpassed the Babylonian (Hollywood style) rendition. The fossils are evidence of the Flood and God. The dinosaurs were far too advanced to be honestly considered early lifeforms. Everyone needs MONEY! And evolutionists certainly don't want to cut their own throats and find that all their hard work and studies are worthless. What exactly would the fifty something professors do? Go back to school and become science fiction writers?

[_Maksutov]

What are you trying to say here? You're incoherent. That you can't prove a flood because you don't have enough money? You need evidence, Nipper. Money is what you use to build a fake Ark in Kentucky. Evidence is what you use to prove one ever existed thousands of years ago. And a book that's plagiarizing another book isn't evidence, sorry.

The ark was not ROUND. It's Biblical specification precisely fit the Fibonacci spiral. The oral tradition far surpassed the Babylonian (Hollywood style) rendition. The fossils are evidence of the Flood and God. The dinosaurs were far too advanced to be honestly considered early lifeforms. Everyone needs MONEY! And evolutionists certainly don't want to cut their own throats and find that all their hard work and studies are worthless. What exactly would the fifty something professors do? Go back to school and become science fiction writers?

Wow. That must be Bible College science, as taught by Reverend Jim Bob Lickadick in the Henry Morris Memorial Creationist Museum and Snakehandling Institute, an honored and valued affiliate of the Jimmy Swaggart Ministry to Hot Hookers and the Jim Bakker Lets-Sell-Buckets-of-Crap-for-Jesus Charity for the Religiously Insane.

[_spotlight]

We can observe what the sun does. We cannot dismantle the sun to see how it actually works.

Solar neutrinos only arise from nuclear fusion.

[_Themis]

Traditional Christianity may for different people have different referent point. Ill check the Catachism of the Catholic Church. It is the most traditional.

I find , (reminds me that some of my best ideas about Christianity are not very original)

310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better. But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying toward is ultimate perfection In God's plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others , the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect , both constructive and destructive forces of nature.

preceded by,
283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos , the development of life forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon the can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me.

The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically or when man appeared but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin.

I am not criticizing the lack of a perfect world, since I don't know what perfect would mean. What I am saying is evolution is a slow process with no end product in mind. Lots of dead ends, or ends if something changes like an asteroid hitting the earth 60 million years ago. I see no reason for such wasted efforts and a really really really really slow process of evolution when a God-like figure could easily have a much shorter pathway. Our human body is a bit of a mess from millions of years of evolution with no end product in mind. Lots of wasted information.

[_Maksutov]

We can observe what the sun does. We cannot dismantle the sun to see how it actually works.

Solar neutrinos only arise from nuclear fusion.

Are you under the impression that Nipper believes in atoms? "We can't take an atom apart to see how it works. No matter what happened in New Mexico and Japan."