If they don't accept baptism then their sealing isn't valid. Ergo, only members are sealed.
Drifting,
Therefore, by your own admission and in accordance with your own reasoning, if they don't accept baptism, they aren't LDS either. Do you think that, if a person does not accept the ordinance work done for them, that the LDS Church will then excommunicate them? I think not; yet if they refuse the work and are not then excommunicated, I would say that they never were really a member of the LDS Church. In other words, we were just the organization on the earth keeping track of their properly authorized ordinance work.
Just like no one can "proxy" another person's Salvation, we cannot "proxy" a person's membership into the LDS Church. All we can do is offer ourselves as a proxy for someone who has died, and then keep a record of the ordinance work done on their behalf. This is done through the vehicle of the LDS Church; it does not make that person LDS. For you to believe that the LDS Church can actually make a dead person's spirit LDS, is the same as for you to believe the LDS Church can take away a spirit's free will. God does not work that way.
If they don't accept baptism then their sealing isn't valid. Ergo, only members are sealed.
Drifting,
Therefore, by your own admission and in accordance with your own reasoning, if they don't accept baptism, they aren't LDS either. Do you think that, if a person does not accept the ordinance work done for them, that the LDS Church will then excommunicate them? I think not; yet if they refuse the work and are not then excommunicated, I would say that they never were really a member of the LDS Church. In other words, we were just the organization on the earth keeping track of their properly authorized ordinance work.
Just like no one can "proxy" another person's Salvation, we cannot "proxy" a person's membership into the LDS Church. All we can do is offer ourselves as a proxy for someone who has died, and then keep a record of the ordinance work done on their behalf. This is done through the vehicle of the LDS Church; it does not make that person LDS. For you to believe that the LDS Church can actually make a dead person's spirit LDS, is the same as for you to believe the LDS Church can take away a spirit's free will. God does not work that way.
Blessings,
jo
We seem to be in violent agreement. As far as dead people go: 1. If they don't accept their proxy baptism they aren't LDS 2. If they don't accept their proxy baptism their proxy sealing is irrelevant.
It would speed things up if someone would let the genealogy people know if someone has rejected their proxy baptism as it would avoid doing unnecessary proxy ordinances for them...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote: We seem to be in violent agreement. As far as dead people go: 1. If they don't accept their proxy baptism they aren't LDS 2. If they don't accept their proxy baptism their proxy sealing is irrelevant.
It would speed things up if someone would let the genealogy people know if someone has rejected their proxy baptism as it would avoid doing unnecessary proxy ordinances for them...
Drifting wrote: We seem to be in violent agreement. As far as dead people go: 1. If they don't accept their proxy baptism they aren't LDS 2. If they don't accept their proxy baptism their proxy sealing is irrelevant.
It would speed things up if someone would let the genealogy people know if someone has rejected their proxy baptism as it would avoid doing unnecessary proxy ordinances for them...
Hello Drifting,
I have heard it said that patience is a virtue.
Blessings,
jo
Patience isn't fast enough...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
