The Book of Mormon contridicts Mormonism

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LittleNipper wrote:I feel that the direction of how Chinese was taught to you (in this recent era) had little if anything to do with the Bible.
Naturally, because it was a course in Mandarin, not religion.


LittleNipper wrote:And it was likely an early Chinese Bible translator who began to note the symbolism in the Chinese picture writing.
Taking into account your incipient antisemitism, I'd have to guess you're referring to the Protestant translation known as the Chinese Union Version (CUV). The CUV was published in 1919...is that early enough for you? In any case, what you don't understand is the fact that the complex Han characters of 1919 (and of today) are very different from those that were used during the earliest dynasties. Furthermore, different characters were used in different geographical locations before written Chinese was finally standardized. Even after standardization--and even today--characters still vary from place to place, albeit to a lesser degree.

So in other words, xians who:

  • ignore the fact that modern Chinese is very different from ancient Chinese, and
  • ignore the etymological distinction between Chinese radicals and phonetic roots,

are propagating a lie. It's really that simple.


LittleNipper wrote:It's likely that you were more influenced by the People's Republic of China than you might wish to consider.
The Republic of China, where I lived for two years, is a constitutional republic, genius.


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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:I feel that the direction of how Chinese was taught to you (in this recent era) had little if anything to do with the Bible.
Naturally, because it was a course in Mandarin, not religion.


LittleNipper wrote:And it was likely an early Chinese Bible translator who began to note the symbolism in the Chinese picture writing.
Taking into account your incipient antisemitism, I'd have to guess you're referring to the Protestant translation known as the Chinese Union Version (CUV). The CUV was published in 1919...is that early enough for you? In any case, what you don't understand is the fact that the complex Han characters of 1919 (and of today) are very different from those that were used during the earliest dynasties. Furthermore, different characters were used in different geographical locations before written Chinese was finally standardized. Even after standardization--and even today--characters still vary from place to place, albeit to a lesser degree.

So in other words, xians who:

  • ignore the fact that modern Chinese is very different from ancient Chinese, and
  • ignore the etymological distinction between Chinese radicals and phonetic roots,

are propagating a lie. It's really that simple.


Who is lying to whom and why?
See: http://www.across.co.nz/ChineseNoah.htm
http://www.arky.org/museum/search/misc/aclsc.htm
https://www.creationism.org/csshs/v06n2p04.htm
http://creationwiki.org/Chinese_charact ... Noah's_ark
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/chinese.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=Chinese ... 00&bih=739
http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php ... noahs-ark/
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:[The Republic of China, where I lived for two years, is a constitutional republic, genius.


Right----- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ

In Taiwan political opinion is divided into two camps: the Pan-Blue Coalition (majority Kuomintang) believes that the ROC is the sole legitimate government of "China" but supports eventual Chinese reunification. The opposition Pan-Green Coalition (majority Democratic Progressive Party) regards Taiwan as an independent state and seeks wide diplomatic recognition and an eventual declaration of formal Taiwanese independence.
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LittleNipper wrote:Who is lying to whom and why?

Indeed. I've already given you several clear and specific examples of deceptive tactics used by christians when they attempt to evangelize non-believers. Would you please explain why you and certain other christians find it necessary to resort to deception?
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LittleNipper wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:[The Republic of China, where I lived for two years, is a constitutional republic, genius.


Right----- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ

You're confusing the Republic of China with the People's Republic of China, you dolt.

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Who is lying to whom and why?

Indeed. I've already given you several clear and specific examples of deceptive tactics used by christians when they attempt to evangelize non-believers. Would you please explain why you and certain other christians find it necessary to resort to deception?


I do not. I cannot speak for others who call themselves "Christian' (Mormons included). Would you please explain why you and most atheists find it necessary to resort to deception, exclusion, collusion and overt control of both public education, and governmentally sponsored scientific investigation?
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:Were you dropped on your head as a child?


China is China. They both speak Chinese and China wants to control China. And again ancient Chinese picture writing seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day.
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LittleNipper wrote:I do not.
You have and you do. I've provided you several clear and specific examples.


LittleNipper wrote:I cannot speak for others who call themselves "Christian' (Mormons included).
Is this an indirect admission that certain christians do indeed resort to deception when evangelizing non-believers? At least you're making progress...


LittleNipper wrote:Would you please explain why you and most atheists find it necessary to resort to deception, exclusion, collusion and overt control of both public education, and governmental sponsored scientific investigation.
Not being an atheist, I wouldn't know. I can only assume that atheists lie for all the same reasons why anybody else would lie.

Nipper, why do you and certain other christians find it necessary to resort to deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers?
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LittleNipper wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:Were you dropped on your head as a child?


China is China. They both speak Chinese and China wants to control China. And again ancient Chinese picture writing seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day.
That's like saying East Germany and West Germany both had the same system of government because they were both German, the Cold War notwithstanding.

Were you born this stupid or did you have to practice at it?
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
LittleNipper wrote: China is China. They both speak Chinese and China wants to control China. And again ancient Chinese picture writing seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day.
That's like saying East Germany and West Germany both had the same form of government because they were both German, the Cold War notwithstanding.

Were you born this stupid or did you have to practice at it?
So, now you add belittling and insulting to your repertoire. Ask a German today if East or West Germans are not all German. What a difference time can bring. But the fact is they both spoke GERMAN.
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