The Book of Mormon contridicts Mormonism

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I'll make you a deal--you stop acting like an idiot and I'll stop calling you an idiot.

Nipper, why do you and certain other christians find it necessary to resort to deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers?

[_LittleNipper]

Is this an indirect admission that certain christians do indeed resort to deception when evangelizing non-believers? At least you're making progress...

I do not consider Mormons Christians as it relates to their adherence to Mormonism. Why don't you quit repeating yourself and disrupting every thread you decide to visit with questions you already have answered for yourself? I for one will no longer be wasting time on you, as I feel that your sincerity leaves something to be desired. Until you show some remorse and a willingness to be polite and not childishly disruptive, I will not be responding to you.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Is this an indirect admission that certain christians do indeed resort to deception when evangelizing non-believers? At least you're making progress...

I do not consider Mormons Christians as it relates to their adherence to Mormonism.

That's kind of beside the point, isn't it?

Why don't you quit repeating yourself and disrupting every thread you decide to visit with questions you already have answered for yourself?

I keep repeating the question because you keep refusing to answer it.

I for one will no longer be wasting time on you, as I feel that your sincerity leaves something to be desired.

You don't think deception is antithetical to sincerity? How odd.

Until you show some remorse and a willingness to be polite and not childishly disruptive, I will not be responding to you.

I deeply regret the fact that you and certain other christians find yourselves unable to spread your message without resorting to deception. How's that for remorse?

[_ludwigm]

Nipper, do you believe it's right for xians to use deceptive tactics when evangelizing non-believers?

No, I come right and tell you that if you do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ---- you WILL go to hell. I don't make up nice exceptions to that rule.

it is good enough to make up the principle of hell --- and the unlimited mercy of a madeup god was proved.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

it is good enough to make up the principle of hell --- and the unlimited mercy of a madeup god was proved.

I think it was Eusebius who said this, but I might be wrong. He or one of the other early apologists said the faithful will be able to look down from heaven and take pleasure from the tortures inflicted on the damned in hell. Sick.

[_Bazooka]

[The Republic of China, where I lived for two years, is a constitutional republic, genius.

Right----- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ

In Taiwan political opinion is divided into two camps: the Pan-Blue Coalition (majority Kuomintang) believes that the ROC is the sole legitimate government of "China" but supports eventual Chinese reunification. The opposition Pan-Green Coalition (majority Democratic Progressive Party) regards Taiwan as an independent state and seeks wide diplomatic recognition and an eventual declaration of formal Taiwanese independence.

Two camps?

Public opinion[edit]
Public opinion in Taiwan regarding relations with the PRC is notoriously difficult to gauge, as poll results tend to be extremely sensitive to how the questions are phrased and what options are given, and there is a tendency by all political parties to spin the results to support their point of view.[citation needed][dubious – discuss]
According to a November 2005 poll from the Mainland Affairs Council, 37.7% of people living in the ROC favor maintaining the status quo until a decision can be made in the future, 18.4% favors maintaining the status quo indefinitely, 14% favors maintaining the status quo until eventual independence, 12% favors maintaining the status quo until eventual reunification, 10.3% favors independence as soon as possible, and 2.1% favors reunification as soon as possible. According to the same poll, 78.3% are opposed to the "One Country, Two Systems" model, which was used for Hong Kong and Macau, while 10.4% is in favor.[62]
According to a June 2008 poll from a Taiwanese mainstream media TVBS, 58% of people living in Taiwan favor maintaining the status quo, 19% favors independence, and 8% favors unification. According to the same poll, if status quo is not an option and the ones who were surveyed must choose between "Independence" or "Unification", 65% are in favor of independence while 19% would opt for unification. The same poll also reveals that, in terms of self-identity, when the respondents are not told that a Taiwanese can also be a Chinese, 68% of the respondents identify themselves as "Taiwanese" while 18% would call themselves "Chinese". However, when the respondents are told that duo identity is an option, 45% of the respondents identify themselves as "Taiwanese only", 4% of the respondents call themselves "Chinese only" while 45% of the respondents call themselves "both Taiwanese as well as Chinese". Furthermore, when it comes to preference in which national identity to be used in international organizations, 54% of people in the survey indicated that they prefer "Taiwan" and only 25% of the people voted for "Chinese Taipei".[63]
According to an October 2008 poll from the Mainland Affairs Council, on the question of Taiwan's status, 36.17% of respondents favor maintaining the status quo until a decision can be made in the future, 25.53% favors maintaining the status quo indefinitely, 12.49% favors maintaining the status quo until eventual independence, 4.44% favors maintaining the status quo until eventual reunification, 14.80% favors independence as soon as possible, and 1.76% favors reunification as soon as possible. In the same poll, on the question of the PRC government's attitude towards the ROC government, 64.85% of the respondents consider the PRC government hostile or very hostile, 24.89 consider the PRC government friendly or very friendly, while 10.27% did not express an opinion. On the question of the PRC government's attitude towards the people in Taiwan, 45.98% of the respondents consider the PRC government hostile or very hostile, 39.6% consider the PRC government friendly or very friendly, while 14.43% did not express an opinion.[64]
May 2009 Taiwan's (Republic of China) Department of the Interior published a survey examining whether people in Taiwan see themselves as Taiwanese, Chinese or both. 64.6% see themselves as Taiwanese, 11.5% as Chinese, 18.1% as both and 5.8% were unsure.[65]
According to a December 2009 poll from a Taiwanese mainstream media TVBS, if status quo is not an option and the ones who were surveyed must choose between "Independence" or "Unification", 68% are in favor of independence while 13% would opt for unification.[66]
As of March 2012, a poll by the Global Views Monthly indicated that support for Taiwanese independence has risen. According to the survey 28.2 percent of respondents indicated that they support a formal declaration for Taiwan independence, a rise of 3.7 percent compared to a similar poll conducted earlier in 2012. Asked whether Taiwan would eventually declare itself a new and independent nation, 49.1 percent replied yes while 38 percent responded negatively, the Global Views Monthly said. Only 22.9 percent agreed that Taiwan should eventually unify with China, while 63.5 percent disagreed.
A June 2013 poll conducted by DPP showed an overwhelming 77.6% consider themselves as Taiwanese.[67] A)On the independence-unification issue, the survey found that 25.9 percent said they support unification, 59 percent support independence and 10.3 percent prefer the "status quo." B)When asked whether Taiwan and China are parts of one country, the party said the survey found 78.4 percent disagree, while 15 percent agreed. C)As for whether Taiwan and China are two districts in one country, 70.6 percent disagree, while 22.8 percent agree, the survey showed. D)When asked which among four descriptions — "one country on each side,” "a special state-to-state relationship,” "one country, two areas,” and "two sides are of one country" — they find the most acceptable, 54.9 percent said "one country on each side,” 25.3 percent chose "a special state-to-state relationship,” 9.8 percent said "one country, two areas" and 2.5 percent favor "two sides are of one country,” the survey showed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... ic_opinion

[_Bazooka]

Would you please explain why you and most atheists find it necessary to resort to deception, exclusion, collusion and overt control of both public education, and governmentally sponsored scientific investigation?

Just trying to emulate the God of Christianity I suppose....

[_Bazooka]

So, now you add belittling and insulting to your repertoire.

Meanwhile, on a different thread Little Nipper responded to me by saying....

Do you speak English?

Practice what you preach you sanctimonious dolt.

[_Natsunekko]

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

China is China. They both speak Chinese and China wants to control China. And again ancient Chinese picture writing seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day.

You are definitely showing your ignorance, Little Nipper.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

China is China. They both speak Chinese and China wants to control China. And again ancient Chinese picture writing seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day.

"China is China."
China and Taiwan are separated by the Straights of Formosa. Taiwan is an island. Mainland China is part of a continental landmass. Go look at a map.


"They both speak Chinese..."
Is the local dialect known as "Taiwanese" spoken in China? No.
Is Shan(1)Di(4)Hwa(4) spoken in China? No.
Is Tai(2)Wan(1)Hwa(4) spoken in China? No.
Is Syang(1)Gang(3)Hwa(4) spoken in Taiwan? No.
Did the indigenous "Mountain People" of Taiwan originally come from China? No.
Are complex Han characters used in the PRC? No.
Are Simplified Han characters used in the ROC? No.


"...and China wants to control China."
This is where you really start to show your ignorance--by implying that Taiwan and China both have communist governments. They don't.


"And again ancient Chinese picture writing..."
This is another area that really showcases your ignorance--Written Chinese is not "picture writing". It is a compound system made up of phonetic elements and semantic roots, i.e. "radicals".


"...seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day."
Stop spreading lies, Nipper.