Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Mittens wrote:I'm not confused but LDS leaders our, and we know God is not the author of confusion, anyway that's what LeGrande Richards said

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.


Dear Mittens,

The above two quotes do NOT contradict each other. When you have the eyes to see this, you will see this. Until that time, it will remain hidden from you.

Right now you can only see what you WANT to see; not everything that there IS to see.

Blessings,

jo
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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See mittens it is obvious. Your eyes are not yet open. I suggest whatever mind altering substance Jo and sheryl are using.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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SteelHead wrote:See mittens it is obvious. Your eyes are not yet open. I suggest whatever mind altering substance Jo and sheryl are using.


I do, too!! It's called Truth! And the more you receive, the more it will blow your mind!!

Blessings,

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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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The Bibles Truthful

Adam and Others helped in creation, it is true that Adam helped to form this earth. He labored with our Savior Jesus Christ. I have a strong view or conviction that there were others also who assisted them. Perhaps Noah and Enoch; and why not Joseph Smith. Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1 p 74-75

The Bible says God did the creation alone ?

Isa. 44:24

Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;

Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1
Joseph Fielding Smith, Bruce R. McConkie
1954 Deseret Book Company
ADAM HAD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Some people have the idea that the Ten Commandments were first given by Moses when he directed the children of Israel and formulated their code of laws. This is not the case. These great commandments are from the beginning and were understood in righteous communities in the days of Adam. They are, in fact, fundamental parts of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the gospel in its fulness was first given to Adam.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Mittens wrote:The Bibles Truthful

Adam and Others helped in creation, it is true that Adam helped to form this earth. He labored with our Savior Jesus Christ. I have a strong view or conviction that there were others also who assisted them. Perhaps Noah and Enoch; and why not Joseph Smith. Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1 p 74-75


Hello Mittens,

Yes, I agree that the Bible is Truthful. I think it is possible that even more of us were involved in laboring with our Savior, Jesus Christ. But I have no scripture to support this. My reasoning comes from the belief that we were One with God before we came to the earth in our body of flesh.

The Bible says God did the creation alone ?

Isa. 44:24

Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;


It could be that we are confined to our written language which can cause confusion. Here is the Septuagint's version of Isa. 44:24. It is not very different - but I think it may help us to understand a little easier:

Isa.44:24 (Septuagint) Thus saith the Lord that redeems thee, and who formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that performs all things: I stretched out the heaven alone, and established the earth.

There are many passages in the Bible which I do not yet understand. However, I will offer my thoughts on this passage. It could be that Jesus directly is the one who stretched out the heaven. Likewise, according to the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus could have directly been the one who spread abroad the earth by Himself. The Septuagint version gives us a different perspective at least about the earth: it says Jesus "established" the earth....and it says nothing about Him doing it by Himself.

The stretching forth of the heaven, and the spreading abroad of the earth (or, the establishing of the earth) was only the beginning of the creation of the earth. There were other steps involved with the creation of the earth. Perhaps these other steps involved the others you have named (or even more than those you listed) helping Jesus.

Another perspective could be that it was Jesus who was the only one "in charge" of directing others for the whole process; including the stretching forth of heaven and the spreading abroad (or establishment) of the earth. In this scenario, Jesus would have been like the president of a corporation (so to speak). This would still have allowed Jesus to be the only one "in charge" - and others would have been directed by Him to not only help with the other steps in the creation of the earth; but also in helping to stretch forth the heaven and spread abroad/establish the earth.

Maybe some other readers have some "Light" they can share with us.

Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1
Joseph Fielding Smith, Bruce R. McConkie
1954 Deseret Book Company
ADAM HAD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Some people have the idea that the Ten Commandments were first given by Moses when he directed the children of Israel and formulated their code of laws. This is not the case. These great commandments are from the beginning and were understood in righteous communities in the days of Adam. They are, in fact, fundamental parts of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the gospel in its fulness was first given to Adam.


Logically, this makes sense. Since Adam had received the fulness of the Gospel, he would probably have also known the Ten Commandments. Additionally, we know that Cain, Adam's son, was the first man who committed murder on our earth. If this had not broken a commandment, then Cain would not have been punished by God.

There is probably a great deal more that Adam knew. It is just that after the passage of time mankind began to forget about what their forefathers had taught. Perhaps when God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, that was the first time they had been written down; and by the finger of God no less!

Blessings,

jo
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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<< 1 Corinthians 3:9 >>


New International Version (©1984)
For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For we are both God's workers. And you are God's field. You are God's building.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field, God’s building.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

International Standard Version (©2008)
For we are God's co-workers. You are God's farmland and God's building.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For we labor with God and you are the crop and the building of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We are God's coworkers. You are God's field. You are God's building.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For we are laborers together with God: you are God's field, you are God's building.

American King James Version
For we are laborers together with God: you are God's husbandry, you are God's building.

American Standard Version
For we are God's fellow-workers: ye are God's husbandry, God's building.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For we are God's coadjutors: you are God's husbandry; you are God's building.

Darby Bible Translation
For we are God's fellow-workmen; ye are God's husbandry, God's building.

English Revised Version
For we are God's fellow-workers: ye are God's husbandry, God's building.

Webster's Bible Translation
For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

Weymouth New Testament
Apollos and I are simply fellow workers for and with God, and you are *God's* field-- *God's* building.

World English Bible
For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's farming, God's building.

Young's Literal Translation
for of God we are fellow-workmen; God's tillage, God's building ye are
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Jo, one of the problems with the apostates, and in particular the ones who allegedly believe in the Bible, is that they use a double standard in their faulty judgements. There are many seemingly contradictions in the Bible itself, and some of this is due to the problems of translation. However, they never mention these! If I were ignorant like some of them and was inspired to be an anti, I could say that Christ prophesied incorrectly by stating that He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three as Matthew 12:40 records! However, not being possessed with the spirit of apostasy, I decided to look deeper, and I found out that there were words in Aramaic and in Greek for parts of days and nights, but there was no such expression in English. Therefore the KJV translations simply translated it as three days and three nights when Christ was actually in the tomb only from Friday evening until Sunday morning which was only two nights. Another thing Mittens doesn't seem to understand is that opinions and statements by prophets and apostles do not necessarily constitute revelation. She should read my post on this site entitled "Prophets and Apostles are not Perfect." Also, in my opinion, this whole recent topic is silly anyway and shows the amount of effort as well as the lengths the anti's will go in order to try to discredit the restored gospel! Yes God does know all things; including any chemical or mathematical formula as well as all the sub atomic particles, etc., etc., etc. However, if He were to create some new world, then perhaps that could be considered more added knowledge! Pick another more substantial topic next time to attack Gods work, anti's.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Logically, this makes sense. Since Adam had received the fulness of the Gospel, he would probably have also known the Ten Commandments. Additionally, we know that Cain, Adam's son, was the first man who committed murder on our earth. If this had not broken a commandment, then Cain would not have been punished by God.

There is probably a great deal more that Adam knew. It is just that after the passage of time mankind began to forget about what their forefathers had taught. Perhaps when God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, that was the first time they had been written down; and by the finger of God no less!

Blessings,

jo


So is the fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormon?

Pearl Of Great Price
34 He said there was a a\book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;


Bruce mcConkie trying to explain.........
Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333
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Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions
Taken from the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith
Tenth President of Mormonism
A course Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums
1972-73

Lesson 6 page 39

It was Jesus who gave commandments to Adam after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden and who directed Enoch and Noah before the flood. It was Christ who named Abraham and made him that through his posterity all nations would be blessed. He, it was who called Moses to lead Isreal out of Egypt and who wrote with his fingers on the tables of stone. He had no body until he was born in Bethlehem. If Christ could do these things as a spirit, the Holy Ghost can carry out the mind and will of the Father and the Son as a spirit. We are taught plainly that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, are One God, that is one Godhead.
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gdemetz wrote:Jo, one of the problems with the apostates, and in particular the ones who allegedly believe in the Bible, is that they use a double standard in their faulty judgements. There are many seemingly contradictions in the Bible itself, and some of this is due to the problems of translation. However, they never mention these! If I were ignorant like some of them and was inspired to be an anti, I could say that Christ prophesied incorrectly by stating that He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three as Matthew 12:40 records! However, not being possessed with the spirit of apostasy, I decided to look deeper, and I found out that there were words in Aramaic and in Greek for parts of days and nights, but there was no such expression in English. Therefore the KJV translations simply translated it as three days and three nights when Christ was actually in the tomb only from Friday evening until Sunday morning which was only two nights. Another thing Mittens doesn't seem to understand is that opinions and statements by prophets and apostles do not necessarily constitute revelation. She should read my post on this site entitled "Prophets and Apostles are not Perfect." Also, in my opinion, this whole recent topic is silly anyway and shows the amount of effort as well as the lengths the anti's will go in order to try to discredit the restored gospel! Yes God does know all things; including any chemical or mathematical formula as well as all the sub atomic particles, etc., etc., etc. However, if He were to create some new world, then perhaps that could be considered more added knowledge! Pick another more substantial topic next time to attack Gods work, anti's.


Hi gd, have you read Grant Palmers book yet?
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