LittleNipper wrote: The Bible clearly is of God in that it makes man out to be painfully slow in understanding the obvious. The Bible is not out to promote man as some super hero. The Bible demonstrates just how depraved and how needy man actually is. And yet, while we were yet sinners God provided a Savior and incorporated man as a part of that process.
Little Nipper, it may be that the three thoughts you mention above are so familiar to you that you may assume other people see their logic. For other people in fact a little explanation might help.
Do you see other books, not the Bible, as promoting man as a super hero? I found myself trying to think of a book like that and was coming up blank. It seems to me that all sorts of books take a good look at human shortcomings and the tragic dimension of human life. Some books may focus on depravity more than others but it is hard to see the Bible as having more understanding of that human problem than many other books.
I do not understand your first sentence. If many many many books understand human depravity why would the Bibles inclusion in that group show clearly that it is of God? Frankly I do not think it shows that much.
On the other hand I have heard Christians and Jews state that the hope pointed out in the Bible carries enough weight to cause people to believe in the Bible. I believe that is true but it is not an obvious thing.People need to live in the light of that hope to find reason to trust it. It may take years or a life time for that to come together. You might consider whether obvious reasons to believe the Bible might prove to be superficial and fall apart for people over the years. Best to locate the hope I think. People see a lot of reasons not to believe the Bible. Offering them condemnation for not believing closes or hides the door to the one path for a person to find faith.
I feel that thus far, every character mentioned in this thread has demonstrated rather redundant errors of judgment. Example: If some Israelites wrote the Bible to promote the Jews as being really great people, they did a very poor job of it. The Israelites make the same mistakes over and over. They don't listen to God. They are invaded. They turn to God and are helped. Once helped they again worship false gods. So again they are invaded... Not that Jews are worse than anyone else, but they are certainly not painted as anything but superstitious at best, and Godless at their worse... In fact it would seem that among those exhibiting better standards is a whore and a foreign widow. Neither of which were of the line of Abraham. The whore being from Jericho, and the widow a Moabite. Abraham calls his wife his sister. Lot lives in a terrible city and ends up having drunken sex with his daughters. Joseph appears to brag about himself and then really gets even with his brothers by making them sweat. Jacob was a mamma's boy who lied to his father and stole his elder brother's birthright. Moses was a murderer and made lame excuses about not being able to speak --- yet he was raised under the very best of circumstances for educational opportunity and he was a bit of a rogue where the ladies were concerned... God clearly paints even the righteous with all their flaws.
1 Samuel 25:1-44 Shortly afterwards Samuel dies, and all Israel gathered for his funeral and buried him in his family plot at Ramah. Meanwhile David went down to the wilderness of Paran. A wealthy man from Maon owned a sheep ranch there, near the village of Carmel. He had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats, and was at his ranch for shearing sheep. His name was Nabal and his wife, a beautiful and very intelligent woman, was named Abigail. The man, who was a descendant of Caleb, was uncouth, churlish, stubborn, and a brute. David heard that Nabal was shearing his sheep, he sent 10 young men to Carmel to deliver this message: “May God prosper you and your family and multiply everything you own. I'm told that you are shearing your sheep and goats. While your shepherds have lived among us, we have never harmed them, nor stolen anything from them the whole time they have been in Carmel. Ask your young men and they will tell you whether or not this is true. Now I have sent my men to ask for a little contribution from you, for we have come at a good time. Please give us a present of whatever is at hand.”
The young men gave David’s message to Nabal and waited for his reply. “Who is this fellow David?” he sneered. “Who does this son of Jesse think he is? There are lots of servants these days who run away from their masters. Should I take my bread and my water and my meat that I’ve slaughtered for my shearers and give it to a gang who comes from who knows where?”
David’s messengers returned and told him what Nabal said. “Get your swords!” was David’s reply as he strapped on his own. Four hundred of them started off with David and two hundred remained behind to guard their supplies. Meanwhile, one of Nabal’s men went and told Abigail, “David sent men from the wilderness to talk to our master, but he insulted them and railed at them. David’s men were very good to us and we never suffered any harm from them; in fact, day and night they acted as a wall of protection to us and the sheep, and nothing was stolen from us the whole time they were with us. Think fast, for there is going to be trouble for our master and his whole family—he’s such a stubborn oaf that no one can reason with him!”
Abigail hurriedly took 200 loaves of bread, 2 large skins of wine, 5 roast ready sheep, 2 bushels of roasted grain, 100 raisin cakes, and 200 fig cakes, and packed them onto donkeys. “Go on ahead,” she said to her young men, “and I will follow.” But she didn’t inform her husband what she was doing. As she was riding down the trail on her donkey, she met David coming toward her. David had been saying to himself, “A lot of good it did us to help this fellow. We protected his flocks in the wilderness so that not one thing was lost or stolen, but he has repaid me bad for good. All that I get for my trouble is insults. May God curse me if even one of his men remains alive by tomorrow morning!”
When Abigail saw David, she quickly dismounted and bowed low before him. “I accept all blame in this matter, my lord,” she said. “Please listen to what I want to say. Nabal is a bad-tempered boor, but please don’t pay any attention to what he said. He's foolish—just like his name means. But I never saw the messengers you sent. Sir, since the Lord has kept you from murdering and taking vengeance into your own hands, I pray by the life of God, and by your own life too, that all your enemies shall be as cursed as Nabal is. And now, here is a present I have brought to you and your young men. Forgive my boldness in coming out here. The Lord will surely reward you with eternal royalty for your descendants, for you are fighting his battles; and you should do no wrong throughout your entire life."
"Even when you are chased by those seeking your life, you are safe in the care of the Lord your God, just as though you were safe inside his purse! But the lives of your enemies shall disappear like stones from a sling! When the Lord has done all the good things he promised you and has made you king of Israel, you won’t want the conscience of a murderer who took the law into his own hands! And when the Lord has done these great things for you, please remember me!”
David replied to Abigail, “Bless the Lord God of Israel who has sent you to meet me today! Thank God for your good sense! Bless you for keeping me from murdering the man and carrying out vengeance with my own hands. I swear by the Lord, the God of Israel who has kept me from hurting you, that if you had not come out to meet me, not one of Nabal’s men would be alive tomorrow morning.” David accepted her gifts and told her to return home without fear. He would not kill her husband. When she arrived home she found that Nabal had thrown a big party. He was roaring drunk, so she didn’t tell him anything about her meeting with David until the next morning. By that time he was sober, and when his wife told him what had happened, he had a stroke and lay paralyzed for about ten days, then died, for the Lord killed him.
David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, “Praise the Lord! God has paid back Nabal and kept me from doing it myself; he has received his punishment for his sin.” Then David wasted no time in sending messengers to Abigail to ask her to become his wife. When the messengers arrived at Carmel and told her why they had come, she readily agreed to his request. Quickly getting ready, she took along five of her serving girls as attendants, mounted her donkey, and followed the men back to David. So she became his wife. David also married Ahinoam from Jezreel.
King Saul, meanwhile, forced David’s wife Michal, Saul’s daughter, into marriage to a man from Gallim named Palti (the son of Laish).
Now in this story we see that God and not David killed Nabal. This of course flies in the face of the Nephi/Laban Mormon tale. David acted righteously. Nephi seems but a murderer, sneak, thief, and liar. None of these are righteous attributes and entirely out of character for God to encourage Nephi to do. Laban was even Nephi's uncle and protected under God's Mosaic law for Israelites. Here is another Biblical affront against the Book of Mormon. Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And Samuel dieth, and all Israel are gathered, and mourn for him, and bury him in his house, in Ramah; and David riseth and goeth down unto the wilderness of Paran.
2 And [there is] a man in Maon, and his work [is] in Carmel; and the man [is] very great, and he hath three thousand sheep, and a thousand goats; and he is shearing his flock in Carmel.
3 And the name of the man [is] Nabal, and the name of his wife Abigail, and the woman [is] of good understanding, and of fair form, and the man [is] hard and evil [in] doings; and he [is] a Calebite.
4 And David heareth in the wilderness that Nabal is shearing his flock,
5 and David sendeth ten young men, and David saith to the young men, `Go ye up to Carmel, and ye have come in unto Nabal, and asked of him in my name of welfare,
6 and said thus: To life! and thou, peace; and thy house, peace; and all that thou hast -- peace!
7 and, now, I have heard that thou hast shearers; now, the shepherds whom thou hast have been with us, we have not put them to shame, nor hath anything been looked after by them, all the days of their being in Carmel.
8 `Ask thy young men, and they declare to thee, and the young men find grace in thine eyes, for on a good day we have come; give, I pray thee, that which thy hand findeth, to thy servants, and to thy son, to David.'
9 And the young men of David come in, and speak unto Nabal according to all these words, in the name of David -- and rest.
10 And Nabal answereth the servants of David and saith, `Who [is] David, and who the son of Jesse? to-day have servants been multiplied who are breaking away each from his master;
11 and I have taken my bread, and my water, and my flesh, which I slaughtered for my shearers, and have given [it] to men whom I have not known whence they [are]!'
12 And the young men of David turn on their way, and turn back, and come in, and declare to him according to all these words.
13 And David saith to his men, `Gird ye on each his sword;' and they gird on each his sword, and David also girdeth on his sword, and there go up after David about four hundred men, and two hundred have remained by the vessels.
14 And to Abigail wife of Nabal hath one young man of the youths declared, saying, `Lo, David hath sent messengers out of the wilderness to bless our lord, and he flieth upon them;
15 and the men [are] very good to us, and have not put us to shame, and we have not looked after anything all the days we have gone up and down with them, in our being in the field;
16 a wall they have been unto us both by night and by day, all the days of our being with them, feeding the flock.
17 `And, now, know and consider what thou dost; for evil hath been determined against our lord, and against all his house, and he [is] too much a son of worthlessness to be spoken to.'
18 And Abigail hasteth, and taketh two hundred loaves, and two bottles of wine, and five sheep, prepared, and five measures of roasted corn, and a hundred bunches of raisins, and two hundred bunches of figs, and setteth [them] on the asses.
19 And she saith to her young men, `Pass over before me; lo, after you I am coming;' and to her husband Nabal she hath not declared [it];
20 and it hath come to pass, she is riding on the ass and is coming down in the secret part of the hill-country, and lo, David and his men are coming down to meet her, and she meeteth them.
21 And David said, `Only, in vain I have kept all that this [one] hath in the wilderness, and nothing hath been looked after of all that he hath, and he turneth back to me evil for good;
22 thus doth God do to the enemies of David, and thus He doth add, if I leave of all that he hath till the light of the morning -- of those sitting on the wall.'
23 And Abigail seeth David, and hasteth and cometh down from off the ass, and falleth before David on her face, and boweth herself to the earth,
24 and falleth at his feet and saith, `On me, my lord, the iniquity; and let, I pray thee, thy handmaid speak in thine ear, and hear the words of thy handmaid.
25 `Let not, I pray thee, my lord set his heart to this man of worthlessness, on Nabal, for as his name [is] so [is] he; Nabal [is] his name, and folly [is] with him; and I, thine handmaid, did not see the young men of my lord whom thou didst send;
26 and now, my lord, Jehovah liveth, and thy soul liveth, in that Jehovah hath withheld thee from coming in with blood, and to save thy hand to thee -- now let thine enemies be as Nabal, even those seeking evil unto my lord.
27 `And, now, this blessing which thy maid-servant hath brought to my lord -- it hath been given to the young men who are going up and down at the feet of my lord.
28 `Bear, I pray thee, with the transgression of thy handmaid, for Jehovah doth certainly make to my lord a stedfast house; for the battles of Jehovah hath my lord fought, and evil is not found in thee [all] thy days.
29 And man riseth to pursue thee and to seek thy soul, and the soul of my lord hath been bound in the bundle of life with Jehovah thy God; as to the soul of thine enemies, He doth sling them out in the midst of the hollow of the sling.
30 `And it hath been, when Jehovah doth to my lord according to all the good which He hath spoken concerning thee, and appointed thee for leader over Israel,
31 that this is not to thee for a stumbling-block, and for an offence of heart to my lord -- either to shed blood for nought, or my lord's restraining himself; and Jehovah hath done good to my lord, and thou hast remembered thy handmaid.'
32 And David saith to Abigail, `Blessed [is] Jehovah, God of Israel, who hath sent thee this day to meet me,
33 and blessed [is] thy discretion, and blessed [art] thou in that thou hast restrained me this day from coming in with blood, and to restrain my hand to myself.
34 And yet, Jehovah liveth, God of Israel, who hath kept me back from doing evil with thee, for unless thou hadst hasted, and dost come to meet me, surely there had not been left to Nabal till the light of the morning, of those sitting on the wall.'
35 And David receiveth from her hand that which she hath brought to him, and to her he hath said, `Go up in peace to thy house; see, I have hearkened to thy voice, and accept thy face.'
36 And Abigail cometh in unto Nabal, and lo, he hath a banquet in his house, like a banquet of the king, and the heart of Nabal [is] glad within him, and he [is] drunk unto excess, and she hath not declared to him anything, less or more, till the light of the morning.
37 And it cometh to pass in the morning, when the wine is gone out from Nabal, that his wife declareth to him these things, and his heart dieth within him, and he hath been as a stone.
38 And it cometh to pass, [in] about ten days, that Jehovah smiteth Nabal, and he dieth,
39 and David heareth that Nabal [is] dead, and saith, `Blessed [is] Jehovah who hath pleaded the cause of my reproach from the hand of Nabal, and His servant hath kept back from evil, and the wickedness of Nabal hath Jehovah turned back on his own head;' and David sendeth and speaketh with Abigail, to take her to him for a wife.
40 And the servants of David come in unto Abigail at Carmel, and speak unto her, saying, `David hath sent us unto thee to take thee to him for a wife.'
41 And she riseth and boweth herself -- face to the earth -- and saith, `Lo, thy handmaid [is] for a maid-servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord.'
42 And Abigail hasteth and riseth, and rideth on the ass; and five of her young women who are going at her feet; and she goeth after the messengers of David, and is to him for a wife.
43 And Ahinoam hath David taken from Jezreel, and they are -- even both of them -- to him for wives;
44 and Saul gave Michal his daughter, wife to David, to Phalti son of Laish, who [is] of Gallim.
LittleNipper wrote:The Bible clearly is of God....
Np. The Bible is clearly the product of a number of disparate, agenda seeking individuals who wanted to portray themselves as something more than they were. We have 93 pages of evidence supporting that opinion. You fall into the same camp as they.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
LittleNipper wrote:I feel that thus far, every character mentioned in this thread has demonstrated rather redundant errors of judgment. ..... Moses was a murderer and made lame excuses about not being able to speak --- yet he was raised under the very best of circumstances for educational opportunity .. God clearly paints even the righteous with all their flaws.
Nipper, to encourage clarification I have a question. I think the world is full of thousands of human authors who take care to paint even the righteous with all their flaws. I think it is a good thing the Bible is able to do so as well it just is not as special as you appear to hope that to be. It could be suspected that criticizing people and finding their faults is the small side of revelation. And revelation is a word which could apply to all sorts of writing . Do you really like people who always find fault in others?
I wonder if it might be possible that you are seeing so much fault finding in the Bible you could miss some other things (maybe, maybe not). This leads to my question. Do you think it is possible God choose Moses because he was willing and had the courage to kill the Egyptian?
LittleNipper wrote:The Bible clearly is of God....
Np. The Bible is clearly the product of a number of disparate, agenda seeking individuals who wanted to portray themselves as something more than they were. We have 93 pages of evidence supporting that opinion. You fall into the same camp as they.
Bazooka is there any book which would not share in your characterization? Is it possible for any book to be just that and nothing more?
huckelberry wrote:Bazooka is there any book which would not share in your characterization? Is it possible for any book to be just that and nothing more?
I see no more divine influence on the words contained within what is known as The Bible, than those in one of the Harry Potter Books. They both contain the ideas of good principles of behaviour. They both contain stories of magic.
If you can point to something in the Bible that is demonstrably from a divine source, let's see it...
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
huckelberry wrote:Bazooka is there any book which would not share in your characterization? Is it possible for any book to be just that and nothing more?
I see no more divine influence on the words contained within what is known as The Bible, than those in one of the Harry Potter Books. They both contain the ideas of good principles of behaviour. They both contain stories of magic.
If you can point to something in the Bible that is demonstrably from a divine source, let's see it...
I am quite sure that nothing will fit your request. There is no hint of a scientific understanding being revealed about anything. There is no historical information not known to the writers by natural means. There is no prophesy clearly showing a divine revelation unless you already believe critical portions such as Jesus is the Messiah fulfilling various hints in older scriptures. Jeremiah is the clearest instance of a prophesy coming true. Two consideration are apparent in that case, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows applies in that situation but more importantly the prophets who said Jerusalem would be safe are simply not included in the Bible because it turned out they were wrong and Jeremiah was right.
Bazooka wrote:If you can point to something in the Bible that is demonstrably from a divine source, let's see it...
I am quite sure that nothing will fit your request. There is no hint of a scientific understanding being revealed about anything. There is no historical information not known to the writers by natural means. There is no prophesy clearly showing a divine revelation unless you already believe critical portions such as Jesus is the Messiah fulfilling various hints in older scriptures. Jeremiah is the clearest instance of a prophesy coming true. Two consideration are apparent in that case, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows applies in that situation but more importantly the prophets who said Jerusalem would be safe are simply not included in the Bible because it turned out they were wrong and Jeremiah was right.
If you are saying that Jeremiah is the part of the Bible that demonstrates best its divine source, can you be a bit more expansive on what and why etc?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
huckelberry wrote:I wonder if it might be possible that you are seeing so much fault finding in the Bible you could miss some other things (maybe, maybe not). This leads to my question. Do you think it is possible God choose Moses because he was willing and had the courage to kill the Egyptian?
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 2 Corinthians 12:9 (NIV)
1 Samuel 26:1-25 The men from Ziph come back to Saul at Gibeah to tell him that David had returned to the wilderness and was hiding on Hachilah Hill. Saul took his elite corps of 3000 soldiers and went to hunt him down. Saul camped along the road at the edge of the wilderness where David was hiding. David knew of Saul’s arrival and sent out spies to watch his movements.
David slipped over to Saul’s camp one night to investigate. King Saul and General Abner were sleeping inside a ring formed by the slumbering soldiers. David asked for volunteers among whom were Ahimelech (the Hittite) and Abishai (Joab’s brother and the son of Zeruiah). Abishai replied that he will go. So David and Abishai went to Saul’s camp and found him asleep, with his spear in the ground beside his head.
“God has put your enemy within your power this time for sure,” Abishai whispered to David. “Let me go and put that spear through him. I’ll pin him to the earth with it—I’ll not need to strike a second time!” David said. “Don’t kill him, for who can remain innocent after attacking the Lord’s chosen king? God will strike him down some day, or he will die in battle or of old age. But God forbid that I should kill the man he has chosen to be king! But I’ll tell you what—we’ll take his spear and his jug of water and then leave!”
David took the spear and jug of water, and they got away without anyone seeing them or even waking up, because the Lord had put them sound asleep. They climbed the mountain slope opposite the camp until they were at a safe distance. David shouted down to Abner and Saul, “Wake up, Abner!”
“Who is it?” Abner demanded. “Well, Abner, you’re a great fellow, aren’t you?” David taunted. “Where in all Israel is there anyone as wonderful? So why haven’t you guarded your master the king when someone came to kill him? This isn’t good at all! I swear by the Lord that you ought to die for your carelessness. Where is the king’s spear and the jug of water that was beside his head? Look and see!”
Saul recognized David’s voice and said, “Is that you, my son David?” David replied, “Yes, sir, it is. Why are you chasing me? What have I done? What is my crime? If the Lord has stirred you up against me, then let him accept my peace offering. But if this is simply the scheme of a man, then may he be cursed by God. For you have driven me out of my home so that I can’t be with the Lord’s people, and you have sent me away to worship heathen gods. Must I die on foreign soil, far from the presence of Jehovah? Why should the king of Israel come out to hunt my life like a partridge on the mountains?”
Saul confessed, “I have done wrong. Come back home, my son, and I’ll no longer try to harm you; for you saved my life today. I have been a fool, and very, very wrong.”“Here is your spear, sir,” David replied. “Let one of your young men come over and get it. The Lord gives his own reward for doing good and for being loyal, and I refused to kill you even when the Lord placed you in my power. Now may the Lord save my life, even as I have saved yours today. May he rescue me from all my troubles.”
Saul said to David, “Blessings on you, my son David. You shall do heroic deeds and be a great conqueror.” David went away and Saul returned home.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And the Ziphites come in unto Saul, at Gibeah, saying, `Is not David hiding himself in the height of Hachilah, on the front of the desert?'
2 And Saul riseth, and goeth down unto the wilderness of Ziph, and with him three thousand men, chosen ones of Israel, to seek David in the wilderness of Ziph.
3 And Saul encampeth in the height of Hachilah, which [is] on the front of the desert, by the way, and David is abiding in the wilderness, and he seeth that Saul hath come after him in to the wilderness;
4 and David sendeth spies, and knoweth that Saul hath come unto Nachon,
5 and David riseth, and cometh in unto the place where Saul hath encamped, and David seeth the place where Saul hath lain, and Abner son of Ner, head of his host, and Saul is lying in the path, and the people are encamping round about him.
6 And David answereth and saith unto Ahimelech the Hittite, and unto Abishai son of Zeruiah, brother of Joab, saying, `Who doth go down with me unto Saul, unto the camp?' and Abishai saith, `I -- I go down with thee.'
7 And David cometh -- and Abishai -- unto the people by night, and lo, Saul is lying sleeping in the path, and his spear struck into the earth at his pillow, and abner and the people are lying round about him.
8 And Abishai saith unto David, `God hath shut up to-day thine enemy into thy hand; and, now, let me smite him, I pray thee, with a spear, even into the earth at once -- and I do repeat [it] to him.'
9 And David saith unto Abishai, `Destroy him not; for who hath put forth his hand against the anointed of Jehovah, and been acquitted?'
10 And David saith, `Jehovah liveth; except Jehovah doth smite him, or his day come that he hath died, or into battle he go down, and hath been consumed --
11 far be it from me, by Jehovah, from putting forth my hand against the anointed of Jehovah; and, now, take, I pray thee, the spear which [is] at his pillow, and the cruse of water, and we go away.'
12 And David taketh the spear, and the cruse of water at the pillow of Saul, and they go away, and there is none seeing, and there is none knowing, and there is none awaking, for all of them are sleeping, for a deep sleep [from] Jehovah hath fallen upon them.
13 And David passeth over to the other side, and standeth on the top of the hill afar off -- great [is] the place between them;
14 and David calleth unto the people, and unto Abner son of Ner, saying, `Dost thou not answer, Abner?' and Abner answereth and saith, `Who [art] thou [who] hast called unto the king?'
15 And David saith unto Abner, `Art not thou a man? and who [is] like thee in Israel? but why hast thou not watched over thy lord the king? for one of the people had come in to destroy the king, thy lord.
16 Not good is this thing which thou hast done; Jehovah liveth, but ye [are] sons of death, in that ye have not watched over your lord, over the anointed of Jehovah; and now, see where the king's spear [is], and the cruse of water which [is] at his bolster.'
17 And Saul discerneth the voice of David, and saith, `Is this thy voice, my son David?' and David saith, `My voice, my lord, O king!'
18 and he saith, `Why [is] this -- my lord is pursuing after his servant? for what have I done, and what [is] in my hand evil?
19 And, now, let, I pray thee, my lord the king hear the words of his servant: if Jehovah hath moved thee against me, let Him accept a present; and if the sons of men -- cursed [are] they before Jehovah, for they have cast me out to-day from being admitted into the inheritance of Jehovah, saying, Go, serve other gods.
20 `And now, let not my blood fall to the earth over-against the face of Jehovah, for the king of Israel hath come out to seek one flea, as [one] pursueth the partridge in mountains.'
21 And Saul saith, `I have sinned; turn back, my son David, for I do evil to thee no more, because that my soul hath been precious in thine eyes this day; lo, I have acted foolishly, and do err very greatly.'
22 And David answereth and saith, `Lo, the king's spear; and let one of the young men pass over, and receive it;
23 and Jehovah doth turn back to each his righteousness and his faithfulness, in that Jehovah hath given thee to-day into [my] hand, and I have not been willing to put forth my hand against the anointed of Jehovah,
24 and lo, as thy soul hath been great this day in mine eyes, so is my soul great in the eyes of Jehovah, and He doth deliver me out of all distress.'
25 And Saul saith unto David, `Blessed [art] thou, my son David, also working thou dost work, and also prevailing thou dost prevail.' And David goeth on his way, and Saul hath turned back to his place.