JAK wrote:jskains wrote:JAK wrote:jskains stated:
While I do not pretend to know the mind of God, I believe the idea of "homosexuality" as a sin is a response to God wanting the control of "natural man". God said "this is an activity you should not participate in". One who is homosexual would be required by God to ignore his "natural" urges to become more God-like and hence elevate themselves beyond the natural state and above the typical animal on Earth.
Why do you pretend God? There is no evidence for such an entity. Those who invent God have a wide variety of inventions.
“I believe” which you use as if you were stating fact is non-fact.
Your invention God, is, by your own statements, NOT in control.
Notice that you assign human emotion to your invention God. God wants in your construction. No such thing as gods and later God has been established – let alone the precise want factors which you attribute to your (really the doctrine of others) God.
You appear to say God wants to control but is unable to control.
Hence, you invent a WEAK God.
Now, God said nothing. People, men wrote what humans regard as God’s words. So, you’re making all sorts of assumptions here to suit your own dogma. It has been copied by hand many times. It has been translated many times into evolving language and into multiple languages. It is interpreted a wide variety of ways differently by those who claim that their interpretation is correct. You seem to be unaware of that historical reality.
If it’s your position that your God made (created) humans, any attributes of those humans are a result of God’s doing. How absurd for God to make “defect” as you have argued. Why? The defect lies with your invented God NOT with humans who act just as they were programmed to act.
See the absurdity of your God invention? You also invent an unkind, even cruel God. Why does this entity discriminate against some and not others. We could ask the same question with regard to all human illnesses that cause pain and suffering. “Defects” as you call them. What is responsible for the “defects”? It’s your invented God that is responsible.
Unless…you are claiming multiple gods as in times more ancient when many gods were worshiped.
“…become more Godlike.” Your failure to have established your God claim makes this statement merely an assertion absent support.
Should humans ignore other “natural urges”? Should humans ignore the urge to eat food? Should humans ignore the urge to void their bladders? Should humans ignore the urge to put on warm coats to go out into the cold weather?
Your argument is nonsense as you presume to know what “natural urges” we should ignore and which we should yield to.
You see, jskains, you are just making it up as you go absent any honest intellectual inquiry.
Further, when the pressures to defend your positions are on such as they are in this post, you run away. Why?
JAK
Since you want me to respond to you, I'll make it simple.
"You see, jskains, you are just making it up as you go absent any honest intellectual inquiry. "
Instead of having a mature discussion, it goes into personal attacks. No use wasting time on the close minded.
JMS
jskains,
The issues I raised with you stand unaddressed. That’s a statement of fact. My attempt was to open your mind by raising questions and presenting analysis of your statements.
As I allow my comment to stand here along with yours, we can see that you did not respond to the thrust of my analysis.
I await a “mature discussion” of the analysis presented for your consideration. You can refute it with evidence and fact. You can agree with parts and not all. You can quote the substance of my remarks standing in the full context of my remarks in this single post which you left standing.
There are numerous options open for you to participate in “mature discussion” regarding the analysis.
The intention and significance of my comment was addressing directly what I quoted from you, jskains, in your earlier post.
Do you think you could address the analysis?
JAK
No you burned your bridge with me already. You were arrogant and rude. Game over. Next...
JMS