Prop 8: A Fork in the Road For Modern Latter Day Saints II

[Guest]

Holy cow...

http://encyclopediaofmopologetics.blogs ... birch.html

Had no idea you were so good looking, Droop! No wonder you have to fight so vociferously against homosexuality. You probably get hit on often.

That's a compliment... ;)

Darin

[_Paul Osborne]

Holy cow...

encyclopediaofmopologetics.blogspot.com/2010/10/droopy-resurrection-of-john-birch.html#comments

Had no idea you were so good looking, Droop! No wonder you have to fight so vociferously against homosexuality. You probably get hit on often.

That's a compliment... ;)

Darin

Oh my, Droopy! Congrats!

Paul O

[_Dr. Shades]

I commend the moderators of Mormon Discussions—a place that attempts to avoid obvious censures of non-inflammatory opinion. . . thank god for places like Mormon Discussions that allows us to discuss the matter without calling in a mod to censure any who has the audacity to speak their mind[.]

Thank you very much for the kind words, Darin. They mean a lot.

[_honorentheos]

Hi Droopy,

Sorry I just noticed in the slew of posts that you had actually responded to me. I had popped in a couple of times and just saw your discussion with Darrin and Darth and moved on.

Hi Droopy.

Just to simplify, my entire post above can be skimmed over and we can move forward if you wouldn't mind answering this question -

If procreation (fertility) is not required, then what role do sexual relations play in a marriage?

As a physical, emotional, and psychological symbol of the bonding and fusion of the two, male and female, into one.

Sexual relations are the most intimate form of the symbolic expression of that unity.

Ok, so when you say the above, could you agree that you are, in essence, "make(ing) sex within marriage a ritual through which one has to act out the procreative act in a specific way in order to be officially married under your definition."

You asked me where you had said this. I guess you weren't explicit at that point, but here you go.

So, to move forward, if the sex act within marriage need not be actually procreative, but instead you suggest it is symbolic (i.e. - a civic ritual) of the procreative act are you not making the argument I suggested you were making in my first post to you?

[_3sheets2thewind]

"faithful" LDS realize that in the US we live in a nation of laws, said laws are subject to "rules" which are not governed by God.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Dear Droopy:

Some time ago, I asked you to find us all a statute from any jurisdiction within the United States where having children and/or raising children is part of the legal definition of marriage. Or where stereotypical gender roles are an element of the legal definition of marriage.

How is that search coming?

And did you ever come up with an explanation as to why in Utah you can marry your first cousin if you are incapable of having children?

Utah Code s. 30-1-1

(2) First cousins may marry under the following circumstances:
(a) both parties are 65 years of age or older; or
(b) if both parties are 55 years of age or older, upon a finding by the district court, located in the district in which either party resides, that either party is unable to reproduce.

Do you have some insight you could share as to what societal benefit is advanced by allowing a male and female first cousin who cannot reproduce to enter a legally-sanctioned relationship?

Holy ship! I had no idea how perverted Heterosexual marriage could be. Oh my gosh.

V/R
Doc Cam

[_Joseph]

What is wrong with a complete re-definition of marriage?

lds-inc did a complete re-definition of The Negro and The Priesthood.

[_moksha]

What is wrong with a complete re-definition of marriage?

LDS-inc did a complete re-definition of The Negro and The Priesthood.

Excellent point. We always hold out hope that further light and knowledge will enter the world for us to see.

[_ludwigm]

More than half of the "Modern Latter Day Saints" are outside of US. (see ANY statistic, even the official...)
They know nothing about PROP8 and same stupidities of US.

Worldwide church. Go explain.

[_ludwigm]

What is wrong with a complete re-definition of marriage?
lds-inc did a complete re-definition of The Negro and The Priesthood.

We (Hungary, Europe, if YOU don't know...) have no negroes. We have Gypsies.
They are the same, as problems to the society. Did YOU know something about them?
Or do the Church(@) know something?