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[_The Nehor]

Okay, you are correct in stating that things are wrong. Great disturbances and siftings are going to take place both in the Church and out of the Church.

However, in everything else, that website and you are roughly 80-90% wrong.

Would you kindly point out what you consider to be the glaring deficiencies? If I were more acquainted with you I would probably be able to assume and even predict your opinion, but I'm relatively new here so please speak freely. I have no stereotype on you.

The warnings against mindless obedience to the Brethren, talk of how things in the Church can get bad, and the truth that we can't live all of God's laws right now in perfection. All are right. The rest is wrong.

[_RockSlider]

I realize from observation that people are excommunicated these days for crying out that they want the church to go in a certain direction. I realize if I were to be excommunicated that I would be denied the Holy Ghost and that I would essentially be spiritually put to death. But, at the same time, the scriptures say that we must be willing to lose our lives for the Gospel's sake.

You will not be denied the Holy Ghost - scare tactic

[_j-bug]

I realize from observation that people are excommunicated these days for crying out that they want the church to go in a certain direction. I realize if I were to be excommunicated that I would be denied the Holy Ghost and that I would essentially be spiritually put to death. But, at the same time, the scriptures say that we must be willing to lose our lives for the Gospel's sake.

You will not be denied the Holy Ghost - scare tactic

You represent what the apocryphal texts meant when they said Abel's dead body refused burial.

[_RockSlider]

You represent what the apocryphal texts meant when they said Abel's dead body refused burial.

comment based on personal experience, LDS church has no franchise from God on personal revelation. Silly concept.

I suppose the concept of the LDS HG being one of control/fear, yes that one well might be lost. As well as the idea that your health, wealth, etc. will be lost.

[_j-bug]

Would you kindly point out what you consider to be the glaring deficiencies? If I were more acquainted with you I would probably be able to assume and even predict your opinion, but I'm relatively new here so please speak freely. I have no stereotype on you.

The handshake stuff reminded me of the book Codex Magica by Texe Marrs, which to me is a total joke. I don't buy the thing about the tornado either. Aren't you aware that the tornado actually diverted its path away from the Salt Lake Temple at the last minute? Why would it have done that if it was appointed to start the destruction which was to begin at the Lord's house?

I'm not familiar with that book, sorry.

I recall the tornado since I flew over the site in a small 5-man aircraft the morning after it happened. You are unwise to to dismiss the warning message it contained. At the time I saw it I was a true-blue Morgbot but after seeing that the nagging in me to search for more truth increased. All is far from well in Zion.

I agree with you that the calamity has yet to start and that the tornado itself was not its beginning, but I definitely saw it as a warning. Will you agree on that?

[_j-bug]

You represent what the apocryphal texts meant when they said Abel's dead body refused burial.

comment based on personal experience, LDS church has no franchise from God on personal revelation. Silly concept.

I suppose the concept of the LDS HG being one of control/fear, yes that one well might be lost. As well as the idea that your health, wealth, etc. will be lost.

Unfortunately you are making some unwise assumptions in this dialog.

Spiritual life, that comes from receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost also comes at the same time you are received into the church. That's how and why the church is the mother of all living. It is inside of this body of saints that spiritual life is experienced. When you are excommunicated from this body your spiritual life, in its full context, is terminated. A person's denial will do nothing to change that fact. It will also do nothing to change the fact that they hold no offices in the priesthood that are associated with the church.

Holding the priesthood does not require having the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Abel's priesthood remained, along with the ability to receive valid revelation, for a time. So, I'm not saying you cannot continue to receive revelation for yourself if you still have your priesthood.

I agree with you the current LDS mentality is to govern its members using fear tactics. The spirit of Lucifer/Cain is alive and well within its operations. What you seem to be unaware of is that the threat they wield is a real threat just the same as Cain clubbing Abel to death was a real threat to him. You do not see the level or plane upon which this tragedy is playing out, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

[_Yoda]

Wow. I just read this thread, j-bug, and I have to tell you....there are so many things I disagree with, it would take a lifetime to address them all. LOL

Let's start with this one:

If a woman comes to full age and she has not yet received a sign and a witness for a man then she will be allowed to be given to a man who already has a wife or wives. Women shall not be single if they make it to the Celestial Kingdom. She will not go to a single man (as an eternal wife) because if he was not worthy of one wife and buried his talent then it would be unwise of a woman to be given to such a man. It is in her best interest to be given to a man proven to properly care for his wife or wives. See the parable of the talents. She may also only be given as a concubine and not as a wife in such a case. It depends upon what the Lord's Anointed receives on her behalf.

In regards to the bolded section....Why couldn't this "of full age" woman marry a single man? You're telling me that there won't be single men in a probationary state who could qualify for the Celestial Kingdom? What about men who died while they were on their missions? Or men who died in battle for our country? Or even male babies who died before they reached the age of maturity? Don't you think that a just God would allow these men who are worthy a chance to choose a worthy mate?

What Just Me is referring to when she is speaking about mathematics are the statistics involving deaths between male-female ratios. Everyone is assuming that there will be more women worthy for exaltation than men. Why?

And, are you honestly telling me that the most some women who have worked diligently their entire lives to follow the gospel can only hope for concubinage in the Celestial Kingdom? You mentioned that concubinage would only be in a less than ideal situation. Do you think that God would condemn his daughters to a "less than ideal situation" for eternity if she had honestly earned better?

[_moksha]

When it all comes crashing down, where are all single women and widows subsidized by the state going to end up? A good many are going to end up as sex slaves kept in cages for the chief thugs of the roving bands that are raping and pillaging what's left of a prideful and rebellious people who rejected God's Kingdom and God's Law. Cry to them about how disgusting God's way of doing things is and see how much they shall care.

I can't imagine the Elders Quorum getting this far out of control.

[_j-bug]

Wow. I just read this thread, j-bug, and I have to tell you....there are so many things I disagree with, it would take a lifetime to address them all. LOL

Let's start with this one:

If a woman comes to full age and she has not yet received a sign and a witness for a man then she will be allowed to be given to a man who already has a wife or wives. Women shall not be single if they make it to the Celestial Kingdom. She will not go to a single man (as an eternal wife) because if he was not worthy of one wife and buried his talent then it would be unwise of a woman to be given to such a man. It is in her best interest to be given to a man proven to properly care for his wife or wives. See the parable of the talents. She may also only be given as a concubine and not as a wife in such a case. It depends upon what the Lord's Anointed receives on her behalf.

In regards to the bolded section....Why couldn't this "of full age" woman marry a single man?

I already explained why. Did you read the parable of the talents?

You're telling me that there won't be single men in a probationary state who could qualify for the Celestial Kingdom?

No. I said that men who qualify for the Celestial Kingdom that do not have a wife sealed to them for eternity shall remain single. There is no woman who shall receive signs and witnesses that she belongs to him. Thus, he remains single.

What about men who died while they were on their missions? Or men who died in battle for our country? Or even male babies who died before they reached the age of maturity? Don't you think that a just God would allow these men who are worthy a chance to choose a worthy mate?

You are correct that no injustice shall ever be done to those who were victims of circumstances beyond their control. These men who die young are able to resurrect and finish out their probation.

What Just Me is referring to when she is speaking about mathematics are the statistics involving deaths between male-female ratios. Everyone is assuming that there will be more women worthy for exaltation than men. Why?

I have no idea where this notion comes from. As I see things playing out, very few women shall qualify. So far as I can tell, most of them totally despise Celestial Law. You have to honor all of it and be willing to live it to be there. I can assure you that you won't be there unless you have an epiphany and totally rewire your entire outlook of things.

And, are you honestly telling me that the most some women who have worked diligently their entire lives to follow the gospel can only hope for concubinage in the Celestial Kingdom?

As I said earlier, it depends upon various factors. One factor is the degree to which they exhibit the signs and characteristics of the native Israelite traits. If they do not have such they may not be received as a wife, but only as a concubine. But, if through their husband they bear a child with native Israelite characteristics then she can be redeemed and have her Gentile blood purged and receive all privileges as a wife in Israel.

You mentioned that concubinage would only be in a less than ideal situation. Do you think that God would condemn his daughters to a "less than ideal situation" for eternity if she had honestly earned better?

It shall be in His eyes as to who has honestly earned better. That is why I said it shall be a matter that the Lord's Anointed receives the Word of the Lord on the matter.

Further to what I said above, the period of grace extended to the Gentiles becomes expired once the judgment against Israel has expired. See Romans 11 where Paul says the time shall come when the natural branches shall be graffed back in and that the Gentiles ought not to get high-minded but fear because if God plucked off the natural branches to start with, He will most certainly pluck off the Gentile branches if they do not produce good fruit.

Other passages of scripture prophesy flat out that the Gentiles SHALL reject the fulness of the Gospel and that they shall be destroyed. The church is totally overrun and is being governed largely by Gentile tares who are not bearing good fruit. They are going to get pruned, bundled, stacked and burned for their mockery.

That judgment against Israel actually expires this year but there's no telling just how long things are going to take to shake down and this major transition from the Gentiles to the "natural branches" of Israel is going to take. God's timing could be quick to respond or to Him quick could be 20 years from now. But, I know this shall be one of the Savior's items of business when He comes to set things in order.

[_Darth J]

I was searching the web looking for any indication of an LDS awakening taking form to address the alarming dangers that seem to be creeping up around us. I have had a growing uneasiness for years that my fellow LDS brothers and sisters and I are not measuring up to what the Lord requires for His divine protection. I want to do more to live up to my responsibilities in the eyes of the Lord but there appears to be much resistance even within my circle of LDS friends. Attention to worldly pursuits, apathy or "oooh, we shouldn't talk about those subjects" and the conversation is derailed somehow are commonplace. I feel like if I press too much simply wanting to get real about being a true latter-day Saint that I will just find myself branded a nut-case fringe whacko who is heading to apostasy.

My testimony of the restoration is built rock solid on the bedrock of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus is my Redeemer but what I am confronting is the questioning in my mind that His Church is far more full of tares than I had ever imagined and that I am very likely one of them if I continue to just "go with the flow".

I realize from observation that people are excommunicated these days for crying out that they want the church to go in a certain direction. I realize if I were to be excommunicated that I would be denied the Holy Ghost and that I would essentially be spiritually put to death. But, at the same time, the scriptures say that we must be willing to lose our lives for the Gospel's sake.

I am to the point that I am willing to start crying out for us as a body of saints to quit this game of pleasing the world and to start petitioning to have all of our rights restored, just as the scriptures tell us to do, so that we can qualify for the Lord's protection. Anyway, in my searching I found this web-site that I found very interesting. I would like to hear other's impressions about this web-site. Please go here: http://www.lds-awakening.information

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