religion based on a lie vs. 1 on what someone belives

[_bcspace]

The Church has well defined the testimony of Jesus and only members of the LDS Church (or ancient equivalents) can possibiy have accepted it:

A testimony of Jesus is to know that the laws which He prescribed as His doctrine are true and then to abide by these laws and ordinances.

To possess a testimony of Jesus is to know that the Church, which He established in the meridian of time and restored in modern times is, as the Lord has declared, “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth.” (D&C 1:30.)

One who rationalizes that he or she has a testimony of Jesus Christ but cannot accept direction and counsel from the leadership of His church is in a fundamentally unsound position and is in jeopardy of losing exaltation.

Ensign Feb 1987, First Presidency Message Valiant in the Testimony of Jesus By President Ezra Taft Benson

Yet again the bottom line is that to have a testimony of Jesus means one has joined the LDS Church and therefore only LDS will inherit the Terrestial as this is a requirement for that glory.

bcspace makes McConkie look like a "Liahona Mormon"

What makes you think the apostles disagree on this doctrine?

[Guest]

Bcspace, thank you for referencing your comments, I appreciate the detail.

Most family members do not live the Gospel to the same degree as each other. Some are valiant some are not so. In essence this means that the majority of families will be split up in heaven dependant on their valiance. Either that or the valiant members will choose to downgrade kingdom so that the family can be together. I know that given a choice there is no way I will spend eternity separate to my children and visa versa. I suspect most people feel that way.

This means that the top kingdom will probably be empty except for those few completely faithful families or those few selfish members who ditch their family for the top kingdom.

[_Buffalo]

What makes you think the apostles disagree on this doctrine?

What makes you think they agree with it?

I have no idea what they think about it - if you can find some of them expressing an opinion on the subject, we will know what they think. Otherwise this is just the Gospel According to bcspace.

[_just me]

I have always been taught that all good people will go to the Terresterial (whateverthehell it's called) Kingdom. My whole life.

It was always taught to me that the murderers and super evil people would be in the lowest kingdom of glory.

The super righteous Mormony people get the CK.

Effed up doctrine. Seriously.

[_Ceeboo]

The super righteous Mormony people get the CK.

Huh!

Who would have ever thunk it?

:)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[Guest]

Bcspace, thank you for referencing your comments, I appreciate the detail.

Most family members do not live the Gospel to the same degree as each other. Some are valiant some are not so. In essence this means that the majority of families will be split up in heaven dependant on their valiance. Either that or the valiant members will choose to downgrade kingdom so that the family can be together. I know that given a choice there is no way I will spend eternity separate to my children and visa versa. I suspect most people feel that way.

This means that the top kingdom will probably be empty except for those few completely faithful families or those few selfish members who ditch their family for the top kingdom.

I don't think the outlook is a bleak as you say, but there is a verse (and some others as well) for that too:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:14

I have always been taught that all good people will go to the Terresterial (whateverthehell it's called) Kingdom. My whole life.

Good people will be found in all kingdoms according to D&C 76.

It was always taught to me that the murderers and super evil people would be in the lowest kingdom of glory.

They will.

The super righteous Mormony people get the CK.

They will.

Effed up doctrine. Seriously.

What is the problem with God having requirements for salvation? by the way, how do you get an elephant out of Safeway?

What makes you think the apostles disagree on this doctrine?

What makes you think they agree with it?

They published it.

I have no idea what they think about it -

I know.

if you can find some of them expressing an opinion on the subject, we will know what they think. Otherwise this is just the Gospel According to bcspace.

I've merely expressed what's been published and put two and two together without adding my personal opinion; in other words, I've simply expressed the doctrine of the Church.

I think there is good reason why the Church makes you do a little searching on your own and that is to keep you from stumbling. But a caveat to that might be, the more you have to have it spelled out for you, the more wicked and/or unbelieving you are. To paraphrase, a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh for a sign and other such things.

[_Buffalo]

I've merely expressed what's been published and put two and two together without adding my personal opinion; in other words, I've simply expressed the doctrine of the Church.

I think there is good reason why the Church makes you do a little searching on your own and that is to keep you from stumbling. But a caveat to that might be, the more you have to have it spelled out for you, the more wicked and/or unbelieving you are. To paraphrase, a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh for a sign and other such things.

Your interpretation of scripture is not binding on church leadership. I know that this is a difficult concept for your to comprehend.

[_bcspace]

Your interpretation of scripture is not binding on church leadership. I know that this is a difficult concept for your to comprehend.

It's not my interpretation, it's the Church's. I know you have a hard time accepting that, but it's best that you do if you want to accurately communicate what LDS doctrine is.

[_Quasimodo]

On a personal note, where do I end up being a nevermo and having no plans to join the LDS? I hope it's someplace nice with interesting people to talk to.

The Telestial is a nice place. The rub being that verse about being thrust down to hell. But hell doesn;t last forever for most people and you;ll be so busy meeting your friends that.......

But I wouldn't discount changing your mind in the afterlife by joining the LDS Church and getting the Terrestial glory.
[quote]

Thanks, bc. Nice to know that I'll meet friends.

[_just me]

What is the problem with God having requirements for salvation?

Because it doesn't make sense. There are conflicts in the LDS requirements.

Example: A baby who dies a few minutes after birth will enherit eternal life according to the scriptures. Full stop.

Mormoni 8:11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.

However, there is the little teaching of needing ALL temple work in order to enherit eternal life (or lives). That includes a temple marriage which is an earth ordinance. Truth, LDS do not do any proxy temple work for babies who died before age of accountability except sealing to parents.
The church teaches that eternal marriage is a requirement of eternal life. However, the Bible says that even eunichs can enherit eternal life. Obviously, babies were never married.

So, which is it? Do babies need baptism or not in order to enherit eternal life? Do babies need a mate to enherit eternal life or not?