Trajectory of Danger: Becoming a Political Organization

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Re: Trajectory of Danger: Becoming a Political Organization

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Nut job conspiracy theories and demonization of those with whom he disagrees. If the commies don't finish us off then the international cabal of bankers will.


Uselessly vague, however. I asked what Glenn Beck believed in, in your understand. Could you provide some examples of what you term "conspiracy theories," and differentiate those from expose's of the integrated networks and affiliations among the Left that he frequently talks about?

I've never heard him talk about an "international cabal of bankers." Could you provide a link?
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Here's an excellent little trip in the political science time machine back to the days of yesteryear for a small peek into the philosophical dynamics within the conservative intellectual movement of the time and the reasons why William Buckley et al left the Birch society after its early years as its leadership exposed itself as eccentric and intellectually deranged.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/artic ... ty-and-me/

Its interesting to note that, at one point, John Welsh allied the society with the anti-Vietnam war Left through a conspiratorial foray into the meaning of America's entry into that war.

I can't, off the top of my head (and I admit that I don't listen to bro. Beck that much) of anything he's ever said that is analogous to Bircher conspiritorialism. Indeed, for any serious modern leftist to feign concern with conspiratorial thinking (given the behavior of the Left during the Bush years regarding claims of Bush's and the neoconservative's desires to conquer the Middle East for their oil, the prevalence of 9/11 conspiracy theories transferring culpability away from radical Islam and to the U.S. government itself, the continuing popularity of Kennedy Assassination theory among the Left, belief in the existence of a vastly powerful "Israel Lobby" within the federal government etc.) seems a bit odd, as this style of thought would appear to have become de rigueur throughout much of the Left during the first half of the 21st century.


As to "demonization" of those who disagree with him, how is this to be differentiated from strong criticism?
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Droopy wrote:I've never heard him talk about an "international cabal of bankers." Could you provide a link?


Perhaps it might be found in Cleon Skousen's book, The Naked Capitalist.
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moksha wrote:
Droopy wrote:I've never heard him talk about an "international cabal of bankers." Could you provide a link?


Perhaps it might be found in Cleon Skousen's book, The Naked Capitalist.



Perhaps it could, but we were talking about Glenn Beck, were we not?
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Droopy, Glenn Beck is way into the theories of Professor Skousen and frequently used them in his black board scribbles. Professor Cleon Skousen taught at Brigham Young University as one of their prominent faculty and maintained a close working relationship with Elder Ezra Taft Benson in their combined effort to seek out communist influences in such widely diverse things as the civil rights movement, the hip gyrations of Elvis Presley and fluoridated water.
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bcspace wrote:I don't think they even know who John Birch is until this very moment when they will scramble to Wikipedia to look him up.


Wasn't he the guy who said, "Give me the Constitution without all those amendments or give me a 1959 Ford Edsel"?
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I don't think they even know who John Birch is until this very moment when they will scramble to Wikipedia to look him up.

Wasn't he the guy who said, "Give me the Constitution without all those amendments or give me a 1959 Ford Edsel"?


Doesn't appear to be. But someone did say "but at least originalism has the advantage of being legitimate and, I might add, impartial".
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BCSpace and Loran,

What are the principles of the Republican party that are correspondent to a 'good' latter day saint and what are the principles of the Democratic party that are not correspondent to a 'good' latter day saint.

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mikwut wrote:BCSpace and Loran,

What are the principles of the Republican party that are correspondent to a 'good' latter day saint and what are the principles of the Democratic party that are not correspondent to a 'good' latter day saint.

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I'll reiterate, I'm not discussing parties, but principles, values, and core philosophical positions. It's late, but I'll deal with this perhaps in another thread, where the discussion can look at your question on a point for point basis.
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What are the principles of the Republican party that are correspondent to a 'good' latter day saint and what are the principles of the Democratic party that are not correspondent to a 'good' latter day saint.


It should be noted that the original question begged by the OP has not been answered which is: what is it about what John Birch (society) and the others stand for that are so bad?

As for the Republicans, it's simpler to say there is virtually nothing they stand for that is doctrinally opposed to the LDS Church. The same seems to apply to other conservative parties.

As for the Democrats, their core values and modus operandii are in opposition to the LDS Church. Socialism and the welfare state. Support for alternative lifestyles (such as homosexuality) and other immoral behaviors and beliefs (such as third wave feminism and above). Opposition to the death penalty is also contrary to LDS doctrine as well as support for abortion as a general method of birth control. Makes no difference whether or not the Church involves itself politically on these things. Comparison with doctrine is the order of the day.

Obviously not all Democrats support all these contrary things. But there is also the principle of Romans 1:32 by which I don't mean the death penalty for these sins (except murder), but rather the principle that those who vote, vote organizationally, or give money and public support for those supporting these behaviors and beliefs are just as guilty.

It is absolutely not possible for a good Mormon to be a Democrat, good or Dino.

I'll reiterate, I'm not discussing parties, but principles, values, and core philosophical positions. It's late, but I'll deal with this perhaps in another thread, where the discussion can look at your question on a point for point basis.


"Democrat" is a useful and precisely accurate catchall term. Much easier to type than the whole list.
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