Two Items on Joseph Smith and Early Mormon Polygamy

[_Daniel Peterson]

Not a dime of those travels was paid for by a church, Joey.

I mention my "resume" only because you persist in misrepresenting it.

[_harmony]

Motivated by comments in Mercury's "Just want to vent" thread down in the Terrestrial Forum, but not wishing to interfere with (or become enmeshed in) the venting, I mention two relatively recent items on Joseph Smith's early plural marriages that I think are helpful:

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/publica ... m=2&id=721

http://www.amazon.com/Persistence-Polyg ... 193490113X

Daniel, why do you think they are helpful to the discussion?

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[_madeleine]

Doesn't matter, as Mormons can't get around Jesus' teaching that marriage is between one man and one woman. All else is something *other*.

Yet he doesn't teach against multiple instances of marriage does he?

Yes, He does.

[_Joey]

Not a dime of those travels was paid for by a church, Joey.

I mention my "resume" only because you persist in misrepresenting it.

I haven't spent any time on your resume. Ain't significant enough to do so. Your self proclaimed significance, authority, and importance - well let's just conclude you have a way of bringing that to a head with or without my very limited participation here. Insecure egos have a common thread!!!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Joey, try making some consistent (and at least minimally relevant) sense.

It would be a refreshing change -- for you, too.

Daniel, why do you think they are helpful to the discussion?

Harmony, it's impossible for me to take the above as a serious question, unless it's simply designed to get me to summarize the book and the article for somebody who declines to read them himself.

[_DrW]

Peterson, we probably have as many stamps on our respective passports.  The difference is that I've had to invest and create companies that pay for my travels!

Joey,

I doubt that Dr. Peterson appreciates (or possibly even understands) the difference.

Some folks travel extensively as a part of their chosen lifestyle. For some this involves taking risks to develop technologies, start companies, create jobs, and benefit society in a real and tangible way.

Some folks travel simply to defend the indefensible. Their activities produce nothing of real value to society, but are aimed at the perpetuation of an organization that leaches off of the labor of those unlucky enough to be born into it or believe the misrepresentations of its unpaid representatives.

Next time Dr. Peterson reminds us how much he travels, we should go ahead and compare passport and vis stamps. Then we should ask him to compare (as you alluded to) the scorecard on some things that really count such as technologies developed and commercialized, companies started, jobs created, and perhaps even the odd balance sheet or two.

[_harmony]

Daniel, why do you think they are helpful to the discussion?

Harmony, it's impossible for me to take the above as a serious question, unless it's simply designed to get me to summarize the book and the article for somebody who declines to read them himself.

I think the question was designed to ask your opinion, Daniel, not for you to summarize anything. Why do you think those articles in particular are helpful to this discussion? Is there something specific you wanted highlighted?

[_Daniel Peterson]

I doubt that Dr. Peterson appreciates (or possibly even understands) the difference.

Having grown up with a father who had founded and was running a successful company, Dr. Peterson understands very well what is entailed by business. And, as someone who very nearly went for a Ph.D. in economics and who leans toward libertarianism (or, at least, toward something like Vienna or Chicago School economics), Dr. Peterson certainly appreciates the value of business enterprise.

Some folks travel extensively as a part of their chosen lifestyle. For some this involves taking risks to develop technologies, start companies, create jobs, and benefit society in a real and tangible way.

And, for others, it doesn't.

Dr. Peterson knows enough about business not to deify businessmen, nor to think that CEOs and scientists are the only people who offer anything of value to society.

Some folks travel simply to defend the indefensible. Their activities produce nothing of real value to society, but are aimed at the perpetuation of an organization that leaches off of the labor of those unlucky enough to be born into it or believe the misrepresentations of its unpaid representatives.

This is simply a slight restatement of DrW's signature dogmatic arrogance, yet another expression of His characteristic condescension toward those who lack His peerless intellect and His unparalleled reason.

Yawn.

Next time Dr. Peterson reminds us how much he travels,

Which Dr. Peterson only does in such cases as this, where young Joey, Titan of Industry, claims that Dr. Peterson knows nothing of the world beyond Provo. Then, of course, after Dr. Peterson's perfectly apropos demonstration that, in fact, Dr. Peterson is one of the last people of whom something like that can plausibly said, young Joey, Titan of Industry -- who has presumably forgotten his own initial claim -- fails to understand what it was to which Dr. Peterson was responding.

perhaps we should ask him to compare (as you alluded to) the scorecard on some things that really count such as technologies developed and commercialized, companies started, jobs created, and perhaps even the odd balance sheet or two.

And, with that, Dr W joins with young Joey, Titan of Industry, to suggest that only corporate executive careers really count for anything.

This has been a theme avidly pushed by young Joey, Titan of Industry, for several years now, and, against all odds, he finally has an ally.

Academics, parking attendants, waiters, cabinet makers, artists, teachers, social workers, employees of foundations, secretaries, merchant seamen, housewives, farmers, accountants, musicians, mechanics, gardeners, government workers, athletes, salesmen, writers, soldiers -- you little people count for absolutely nothing in the brave new world of young Joey, Titan of Industry, and his faithful sidekick, the self-admittedly brilliant DrW.

[_harmony]

Harmony, it's impossible for me to take the above as a serious question, unless it's simply designed to get me to summarize the book and the article for somebody who declines to read them himself.

I think the question was designed to ask your opinion, Daniel, not for you to summarize anything. Why do you think those articles in particular are helpful to this discussion? Is there something specific you wanted highlighted?

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[_moksha]

Your disappointment is misguided, misconceived, and misplaced.

Perhaps if you listed the main points of those articles which will help correct any misinformation Mercury is operating under, it might help all who read it to have a better understanding as well.