What should be legal is one thing. That should include any pornography that involves only adults and the production of which does not physically harm or violate the basic rights of the individuals involved.
On the other hand, just as tobacco use is frowned upon and discouraged, so it should be with pornography that overtly celebrates aggression or violence toward women. There are grey areas of course since apparently healthy individuals can fantasize about what they would never wish for in real life. This is how it works for non-pornographic movies also (such as Kill Bill type stuff). It is also the case that we must not tolerate pornography that targets children as consumers. Another consideration is community standards. This must be balanced against personal freedoms and this is not expected to be an easy task. Small town Utah is clearly different from downtown LA. Perhaps a community has the right to maintain a certain consensus standard on these matters.
Finally, it must be recognized that no precise formula can be given for what should be tolerated and the debate will be ongoing with many borderline cases to be considered as they arise. Notice that this is also how it works with medical ethics. New challenges and ethical puzzles will continue to arise.
So then, this is pretty much the standard liberal/leftist position over the last 40 years or so, which is basically that all pornography, except that which involves coercion, violation of civil rights, and which promotes or glorifies "aggression and violence" towards woman, is, in some sense legitimate.
Why do you hate libertarians?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I'm just curious about a few things. Do you have a problem with bikinis, lipstick, dirty dancing, high heels and miniskirts? How about hula dancing or belly dancing? Do you worry about tight dresses, push up bras or tight jeans. How about sexy beer commercials or shirtless men in Calvin Klein ads?
Could you possibly just be constitutionally "up tight"? If so, fine. But why do you wish to push this on the rest of us?
I think the bolded section is where Droopy's true interest lies.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I'm just curious about a few things. Do you have a problem with bikinis, lipstick, dirty dancing, high heels and miniskirts? How about hula dancing or belly dancing? Do you worry about tight dresses, push up bras or tight jeans. How about sexy beer commercials or shirtless men in Calvin Klein ads?
Could you possibly just be constitutionally "up tight"? If so, fine. But why do you wish to push this on the rest of us?
I think the bolded section is where Droopy's true interest lies.
You know, I'm really tired of people making suggestions that other men here are gay like it is a shameful, funny, or bad thing. I would appreciate it if everyone stopped using homosexual innuendo as a put down.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote:You know, I'm really tired of people making suggestions that other men here are gay like it is a shameful, funny, or bad thing. I would appreciate it if everyone stopped using homosexual innuendo as a put down.
It's not a put-down. It's probably Droopy's only redeeming characteristic. When gay people stop hating themselves, they're usually pretty awesome people to be around.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
just me wrote:You know, I'm really tired of people making suggestions that other men here are gay like it is a shameful, funny, or bad thing. I would appreciate it if everyone stopped using homosexual innuendo as a put down.
It's not a put-down. It's probably Droopy's only redeeming characteristic. When gay people stop hating themselves, they're usually pretty awesome people to be around.
The way you said it was like you were trying to use it as a weapon. I've seen it on here tons. It isn't funny. It is juvinile.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote: The way you said it was like you were trying to use it as a weapon. I've seen it on here tons. It isn't funny. It is juvinile.
I'm fully aware that Droopy will take it as an insult. But I don't take it that way. So it's not a weapon in a conventional sense.
For instance, I'm not a communist, but I have no problem with them. Droopy hates communists. If I call him a communist, I know it will get his goat, but that's not the same thing as Droopy calling someone a communist. To me it's not a derogatory term. To him it is. Same goes for gay. It's only an insult to him because he's so bigoted against his own sexual orientation.
And besides, he really IS gay.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
just me wrote: The way you said it was like you were trying to use it as a weapon. I've seen it on here tons. It isn't funny. It is juvinile.
I'm fully aware that Droopy will take it as an insult. But I don't take it that way. So it's not a weapon in a conventional sense.
For instance, I'm not a communist, but I have no problem with them. Droopy hates communists. If I call him a communist, I know it will get his goat, but that's not the same thing as Droopy calling someone a communist. To me it's not a derogatory term. To him it is. Same goes for gay. It's only an insult to him because he's so bigoted against his own sexual orientation.
And besides, he really IS gay.
Buffalo. You are admitting to using it because you know it is a weapon against him. Of course being gay is not an insult to you or I but you and others use homosexual innuendo as a weapon against him intentionally. If it wasn't a weapon you wouldn't do it.
There. I've done my share of damned board nannying for the day.
Oh wait. I'll just use this opportunity to let everyone know that I hate the word "douche." I always have and likely always will. Name-calling is not nice.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote: The way you said it was like you were trying to use it as a weapon. I've seen it on here tons. It isn't funny. It is juvinile.
I'm fully aware that Droopy will take it as an insult. But I don't take it that way. So it's not a weapon in a conventional sense.
For instance, I'm not a communist, but I have no problem with them. Droopy hates communists. If I call him a communist, I know it will get his goat, but that's not the same thing as Droopy calling someone a communist. To me it's not a derogatory term. To him it is. Same goes for gay. It's only an insult to him because he's so bigoted against his own sexual orientation.