What Kind of Heretic Are You?

[_Quasimodo]

Smokestoomuch wrote:

With all due respect, you're both talking ignorant. You've both been drinking the main-stream-media Kool-Aide. Welcome to 1984, where up is down and down is up.

It's amusing (and a little ironic) that you would use the word "ignorant" inappropriately in that sentence. It's poor English (and a little ignorant) to write that people are "talking ignorant". Better to say "talking ignorantly".

Your comments and below links are some of the most 1984-ish sounding posts I've heard in a long time.

Have you read the book? If you knew anything about the author (George Orwell) you wouldn't be using his book as an example.

Orwell volunteered and fought against the Fascists (you guys) in the Spanish civil war. He wasn't warning you about the media, he was warning us about you.

I'm not a racist. Once again, this will sound like antisemitism because you don't know any better, but there is no more extreme a racist on earth than the Jew. I'm going to give you two references, please use them. Both of the following authors grew up Jewish and both were sickened by the experience once they discovered what being a Jew is and what being a Jew means.

I've noticed that racists often start their arguments with "I'm not a racist". Your words belie that fact.

Judaism Discovered, Michael A Hoffman II, 1,102 pages, self published and available directly from the author. The hardback version has been sold out and a soft edition is due soon. As far as I know, this is the last word in Jewish expose'. This volume is basically reference. There is nothing in this book that did not come from Jewish sourced material. It was put together by a meticulous scholar, as everything in it is footnoted and referenced. In fact, Hoffman did such a good job of backing up claims that Amazon banned the sale soon after it came out. Just the same, go to Amazon and read the reader reviews of this book. You will not be disappointed. Mr Hoffman has also generously made his book available as a free PDF torrent download.

I looked him up. Besides many other wildly unsubstantiated claims, he is a holocaust denier. That alone puts him in the racist category. Why do you believe all this crap? Why do you think Amazon banned the sale of his book?

John Kaminski

At your request, I read some of his writings. He's a loony.

I don't understand why you would want to try and peddle this foolishness here. I don't think you will get many takers.

[_Smokestoomuch]

Quasimodo: Thank you for all the classic propaganda tactics. I'm a racist because I claim I'm not. You present no evidence.

"I looked (Hoffman) him up. Besides many other wildly unsubstantiated claims, he is a holocaust denier. That alone puts him in the racist category. Why do you believe all this crap? Why do you think Amazon banned the sale of his book?"

Where do I begin? You looked him up? Did you read his book? The book is a REFERENCE! Holocaust denier? You're throwing mud. True or not, it has nothing to do with his book. I believe this crap because it is backed by solid references. You seem to have an opinion, why don't you tell us why Amazon banned the book.


"At your request, I read some of his writings. He's (Kaminsky) a loony"

More classic propaganda. These are cheap shots. Are you going to tell any of us why you think Kaminski is a loony or should we all just take your word for it?


"I don't understand why you would want to try and peddle this foolishness here."

More propaganda. Is it foolishness just because you say it is or are you afraid to take issue with anything in particular?

"I don't think you will get many takers."

I do believe this is your hope. Your non-specific attacks tells me you know better. This is the last response you will get from me.

[_Corpsegrinder]

Seek help.

[_Quasimodo]

This is the last response you will get from me.

A blessing. I'm happy that I, at least, will not provide you another opportunity to spread your hate here.

[_Smokestoomuch]

So, let's be clear about this. For attempting to expose the truth, I'm hereby subjected to sarcasm, name calling, false testimony, propaganda and ridicule? Why? Because it serves the greater good? Because nobody wants to "spread hatred for Jews", no matter if it is the truth? Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Church General Authority, Boyd K Packer: “Some things that are true are not very useful.”

So what type of Christians are you? The hypocritical type? That's what type I say you are. You're saying it's okay to lie, cheat and ridicule for the greater good? Well, if good for the goose, its also good for the gander. Therefore, it's okay for me to lie, cheat and ridicule YOU, if (in my mind) it serves the greater good? I think not. What happened to the Christian ethic "Treat others as you would have others to treat you"? Are you, in effect, telling me you approve others feeding you full of lies when they think it appropriate?

Regarding the "spreading hatred" comment... I never made any such emotional conclusion. My sole message is that everything you think you know about Jews, everything you've been told about Jews, everything you've been led to believe about Jews... is most likely WRONG and radically WRONG at that. I've already given references for you to discover the truth for yourselves. The truth is simply what it is, there is no emotional state of mind attached to it. If someone is angry or holds hatred after learning the truth, those are the emotions that they personally give to it. You should also know that neither author I referred to, Hoffman nor Kaminski, hold any personal hatred toward Jews, nor do they recommend any violence toward Jews. Its only about spreading the truth and, contrary to Packard, all truth is useful. It's your cheap propaganda that is truly "not very useful".

[_Quasimodo]

So, let's be clear about this. For attempting to expose the truth, I'm hereby subjected to sarcasm, name calling, false testimony, propaganda and ridicule? Why? Because it serves the greater good? Because nobody wants to "spread hatred for Jews", no matter if it is the truth? Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Church General Authority, Boyd K Packer: “Some things that are true are not very useful.”

So what type of Christians are you? The hypocritical type? That's what type I say you are. You're saying it's okay to lie, cheat and ridicule for the greater good? Well, if good for the goose, its also good for the gander. Therefore, it's okay for me to lie, cheat and ridicule YOU, if (in my mind) it serves the greater good? I think not. What happened to the Christian ethic "Treat others as you would have others to treat you"? Are you, in effect, telling me you approve others feeding you full of lies when they think it appropriate?

Regarding the "spreading hatred" comment... I never made any such emotional conclusion. My sole message is that everything you think you know about Jews, everything you've been told about Jews, everything you've been led to believe about Jews... is most likely WRONG and radically WRONG at that. I've already given references for you to discover the truth for yourselves. The truth is simply what it is, there is no emotional state of mind attached to it. If someone is angry or holds hatred after learning the truth, those are the emotions that they personally give to it. You should also know that neither author I referred to, Hoffman nor Kaminski, hold any personal hatred toward Jews, nor do they recommend any violence toward Jews. Its only about spreading the truth and, contrary to Packard, all truth is useful. It's your cheap propaganda that is truly "not very useful".

Oops! I thought you were not going to respond to me, anymore. I was relieved when you said you were not. Oh well.

I'm not spreading propaganda. I'm just responding to yours. I'm sorry if your feeling ridiculed, but that kinda goes along with making hate filled posts.

I'm not a Christian (at least most Christians don't think I am). I've never been a Mormon. I'm not a Jew, although I would be just as happy if I was. I'm not a Hindu or Muslim. I'm not anything, really (agnostic). I hold a high value in truth.

I do have a low tolerance for bigotry. Your classification of "Jews" as if they were single minded "race" is ludicrous. The same old bigoted speech that came from the Fascists in the 30's and 40's.

Perhaps you should post a list of all the races you find objectionable. Then we could all tiptoe around your biases and you would be much happier.

Please continue not responding at any time you wish.

[_Smokestoomuch]

Why would a Jew take interest in a Mormon Discussions forum?

[_Quasimodo]

Why would a Jew take interest in a Mormon Discussions forum?

Wow! Hard to know how to take that. If you're referring to me, I'm not Jewish (Welsh/ Irish... Catholic/ Anglican). I know, all Irish are drunks and all Welshmen are thieves. I'm a drunken thief.

I have no idea why Jewish a person might come to this board. Maybe out of curiosity?

[_just me]

I heart Quasi and Morley.

[_contend4faith]

I once heard that Mormonism is like reformed Judaism.