Spirituality or just emotion...?

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Re: Spirituality or just emotion...?

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Drifting wrote:
subgenius wrote:
I don't see how one can confuse "emotion" with spirituality. I think your thread title is flawed.



Subgenius,

In light of what President Eyring said during this years Christmas devotional do you wish to retract this. Or are you happy enough to be completely at odds with the First Presidency on this subject?

no retraction necessary, nor am i at odds.
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Spirituality is closely connected to emotion, but it is not simply emotion nor even is emotion itself, let alone only such.

Given I've been on all sides of good and evil, religion and no religion, believer and non-believer, anti-mormon/anti-religion, etc. There is a very big difference between the Spirit of God which enlightens and teaches the mind and soul, and simply emotion which really doesn't teach or enlighten about anything other than ones moral consciousness or lack thereof.

The Spirit is closely associated with Revelation.... Emotion has nothing to do with Revelation.
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Here is what LDS.org says Eyring said.


He said the videos were created with the hope that all who view them will feel the “light and joy of angelic visitations that marked Heavenly Father’s gift of His Beloved Son as our Redeemer.”


Can some one tell me what feeling the 'light and joy of angelic visitations' actually means - what will I feel if I am the recipient of these angelic visitations whilst I am watching these Church video's?
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Drifting wrote:Here is what LDS.org says Eyring said.


He said the videos were created with the hope that all who view them will feel the “light and joy of angelic visitations that marked Heavenly Father’s gift of His Beloved Son as our Redeemer.”


Can some one tell me what feeling the 'light and joy of angelic visitations' actually means - what will I feel if I am the recipient of these angelic visitations whilst I am watching these Church video's?

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Hi Subgenius!

I grew up Mormon and like you was very curious at the display of tears and emotion during the Fast and Testimony meetings. I had never felt anything similar to what they described as being overcome or swept away by spirit. But then in college, in my sorority, during a very special rush preparation, we were all overcome with emotion - with love for each other, and began crying together. I remember thinking ah, this is what they experienced, love!

Since then I have come to learn that yes, love will invoke spirit, a spiritual presence. Not only will we be carried away, even weeping, if we are sensitive we will detect spiritual presences that are drawn to that energy. Certainly we can call this the Holy Spirit, for like attracts like, meaning that angelic presences carrying the Holy Spirit will be attracted when we make ourselves more like God, when we love, for example.

The point being that the feeling during Fast and Testimony is not phenomenon applicable only to Mormonism, but to good energy. As we make ourselves more like God we will experience more of God. Not as a confirmation of anything outside of us, but as a confirmation of what we have done within ourselves.

In truly seeking, in giving, in loving, we make ourselves more like God and attract more of God into our awareness, within and without, which becomes quite emotional as we awaken at greater depths to who we truly are.

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sheryl wrote:Hi Subgenius!

I grew up Mormon and like you was very curious at the display of tears and emotion during the Fast and Testimony meetings.

not sure where you got this impression of me
I had never felt anything similar to what they described as being overcome or swept away by spirit. But then in college, in my sorority, during a very special rush preparation, we were all overcome with emotion - with love for each other, and began crying together. I remember thinking ah, this is what they experienced, love!

Since then I have come to learn that yes, love will invoke spirit, a spiritual presence. Not only will we be carried away, even weeping, if we are sensitive we will detect spiritual presences that are drawn to that energy. Certainly we can call this the Holy Spirit, for like attracts like, meaning that angelic presences carrying the Holy Spirit will be attracted when we make ourselves more like God, when we love, for example.

The point being that the feeling during Fast and Testimony is not phenomenon applicable only to Mormonism, but to good energy. As we make ourselves more like God we will experience more of God. Not as a confirmation of anything outside of us, but as a confirmation of what we have done within ourselves.

In truly seeking, in giving, in loving, we make ourselves more like God and attract more of God into our awareness, within and without, which becomes quite emotional as we awaken at greater depths to who we truly are.

Peace be within you.

Sheryl

i appreciate what you have written here, thanks.
However, i would propose the following, which i have already alluded to on this thread:
I agree with your notion that love will invoke certain physiological actions/reactions....i especially appreciate the distinction between love and emotion.
However, with regards to the Spirit being confused with emotion, is rather like a cold virus being confused with sneezing.
So, when you speak about how acts of love will invoke the presence of the Spirit and then the presence of the Spirit may or may not bring about a physiological response (emotion)....just as one may have an emotion without the presence of the Spirit.
It seems that the OP has this fairly simple concept of emotion and spirituality confused.
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subgenius wrote:i appreciate what you have written here, thanks.
However, i would propose the following, which i have already alluded to on this thread:
I agree with your notion that love will invoke certain physiological actions/reactions....i especially appreciate the distinction between love and emotion.
However, with regards to the Spirit being confused with emotion, is rather like a cold virus being confused with sneezing.
So, when you speak about how acts of love will invoke the presence of the Spirit and then the presence of the Spirit may or may not bring about a physiological response (emotion)....just as one may have an emotion without the presence of the Spirit.
It seems that the OP has this fairly simple concept of emotion and spirituality confused.
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Hello again subgenius!

Perhaps if we look at the human body a bit differently this confusion might find some clarity?

Here in physical incarnation, it is known by wisdom traditions that we are composed of more than just a physical body. We also have a mental body, a vital or emotional body, and subtler bodies which operate under the same premise, but are not part of this discussion.

Each body accesses and functions in a particular world or realm. The physical of course appears or accesses and functions in the material realm. The vital or emotional in vital or emotional realms which are the lowest heavens, as well as the hells and the in-betweens or the midsts. The mental accesses and functions in the next level of heavens, still considered lower heavens. (Our more subtle bodies access and function in middle and higher heavens.) All of our bodies are accessing and functioning in their respective heavens, irregardless of our awareness of these heavens. (It is through our subtle bodies that we do become aware of beings of other realms, and of the other realms themselves - which becomes obvious as we spiritually awaken.)

Our emotional or vital body is reactive, at least in its bestial state. Emotions arising because of stimuli. They can react to physical or mental stimuli, which is easy for us to see the connection, but they can also react to stimuli from more subtle realms. For example angels vibrating in love might stimulate a more subtle body, our vital body reacting to that with an emotional reaction. And then we have a multiple-realm event, such as we experience something in the physical through our mundane senses, bringing an emotional reaction, attracting higher beings from subtle realms, stimulating us on a more subtle level, also affecting the emotional body, resulting in a very powerful reaction to something in the physical that seems rather simple on the surface.

This is what is so unique about humanity - their bodies span the entirety of creation - through all realms and worlds, and so can bring 'heaven' even the Highest Heaven, to earth.

And we really cannot separate ourselves in that way, put an emotional reaction here and a spiritual (or subtle) reaction or response over there. We are interconnected, within ourselves and in this way within and throughout all creation - all of creation being connected as One Body on the most subtle levels.

And so while in physical incarnation, it is impossible to have a spiritual reaction or response without an emotional, nor even a mental or physical reaction. So when we are touched by a testimony, or even a commercial, for example, it is because some notion of a deeper truth has been spoken through the event, touching deeper parts of ourselves which awaken and respond, resulting in what appears to be a nonsensical reaction on the emotional level.

Now the key is purification - as scripture tells us through denying self or through crucifying the 'flesh' (which means the physical, emotional, and mental bodies) we become purified so that we are no longer unconsciously reacting to stimuli on the various levels, but are aware, and thus begin to respond consciously, meaning we are aware of the stimuli and consciously permit the response by our will, as it comes, through purification, in alignment with the Will of God. Thus bringing heaven to earth through the response of our earthly bodies to heavenly stimulus. This is how Light is brought into the world.

So I would say that emotions and spirituality are confused when we are asleep spiritually - unaware of ourselves and the multiplicity of realms that we touch, unaware of our inner bodies. Thus the key to finding God and Truth is within ourselves, awakening to these subtle layers of self that already know God, our most subtle level being Eternal.

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Sheryl, do you believe Eyring to be correct when he predicts that people viewing the Church videos the emotion they will feel is the spirit of the Holy Ghost testifying of the truthfulness of the Church?
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Drifting wrote:Sheryl, do you believe Eyring to be correct when he predicts that people viewing the Church videos the emotion they will feel is the spirit of the Holy Ghost testifying of the truthfulness of the Church?


No. The Holy Spirit is not a respecter of persons, nor of religions.

An emotional response, though, in my opinion and experience, would indicate that something in our bodies has been touched, meaning that what we are watching or experiencing is the same as something that exists within us.

I am overcome by emotion when I watch children sing. There is something of their innocence and simplicity, and the beauty in their collective voices that awakens the innocent and simple and collective beauty within me, on deeper, subtle levels. And when there is a stirring below (in our physical, mental and emotional bodies) there is a stirring above, which means that when we are stirred in our outer bodies, something existing within our inner bodies is likewise stirred, something of the heaven it is associated with is stirred so that other beings (or the bodies of beings) in those heavens are likewise stirred, which creates an influx from the heaven, of the Holy Spirit, of the Light and Presence of Christ, through our bodies into this world, into the material world.

This is metaphysical 'science' and has nothing to do with a particular religion.

Christ transcends all religions. Truth transcends all religions. In other words, Christ and Truth are found within us, not outside of us in a religious organization. A church and its teachings and practices though can aid us in awakening to the Truth, to Christ, within us. Or it can hinder.

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sheryl wrote:
Drifting wrote:Sheryl, do you believe Eyring to be correct when he predicts that people viewing the Church videos the emotion they will feel is the spirit of the Holy Ghost testifying of the truthfulness of the Church?


No. The Holy Spirit is not a respecter of persons, nor of religions.



Mormonism disagrees with you.
In fact you can only have the constant companionship of the Holy Spirit if you are baptised a member of the Mormon Church.

You non Members get the watered down version, Holy Ghost Lite! Which only works in conjunction with the Book of Mormon. For the full App. you need to get wet...
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