Oh, I'm happy to discuss whatever position or evidence you wish, but please be genuine about your position. If your position is an atheist position, then be up front about that. The whole Deutro-Isaiah thing is probably very reasonable, but from an atheist perspective as far as I can tell. I can't see how a Christian could ever be very comfortable with it.Fence Sitter wrote:I am curious Tobin, what sort of dialogue do you expect to have with people that disagree with you? How can they offer their opinions or evidence in a manner you would accept?
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Tobin wrote:Oh, I'm happy to discuss whatever position or evidence you wish, but please be genuine about your position. If your position is an atheist position, then be up front about that. The whole Deutro-Isaiah thing is probably very reasonable, but from an atheist perspective as far as I can tell. I can't see how a Christian could ever be very comfortable with it.
I'm not an atheist, and I'm perfectly comfortable with the deutero-Isaiah theory. I don't see why being a Christian requires one to have a fundamentalist view of the production of scripture.
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It doesn't bother me. Neither does "Q."
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I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
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MCB wrote:It doesn't bother me. Neither does "Q."
Oh I'm sure making the compromises I've already outlined doesn't bother some of you. The question is: Is your pink bunny suit at the cleaners, in your closet, or are you wearing it?Runtu wrote:I'm not an atheist, and I'm perfectly comfortable with the deutero-Isaiah theory. I don't see why being a Christian requires one to have a fundamentalist view of the production of scripture.
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Those who believe that they must be scriptural literalists in order to believe in God either lack faith or are afraid to let any doubt enter their minds. An occasional agnostic thought does not condemn one to hell. It is perfectly normal for the mature Christian.
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I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
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MCB wrote:Those who believe that they must be scriptural literalists in order to believe in God either lack faith or are afraid to let any doubt enter their minds. An occasional agnostic thought does not condemn one to hell. It is perfectly normal for the mature Christian.
I guess neither of us is a fundamentalist. Imagine that.
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The descriptors fundamentalist and mature Christian are mutually incompatible.
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I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
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MCB wrote:The descriptors fundamentalist and mature Christian are mutually incompatible.
Agreed. It is funny, however, to see someone argue that Isaiah must have been written by a single author (or it's not true at all, and Jesus wasn't the Christ) at the same time he tells us that the Book of Mormon doesn't really mean what it says. Sort of a situational fundamentalism, I would say.
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Selective fundamentalism. LOL
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I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
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Correction. It doesn't mean what you think it says. As I've pointed out to you again and again, it is your bad assumptions that get you in trouble. This is true of Isaiah and the Book of Mormon.Runtu wrote:Agreed. It is funny, however, to see someone argue that Isaiah must have been written by a single author (or it's not true at all, and Jesus wasn't the Christ) at the same time he tells us that the Book of Mormon doesn't really mean what it says. Sort of a situational fundamentalism, I would say.
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