How does the Book of Mormon define priestcraft 2?

[_madeleine]

Thank you for confirming that Catholicism is full of priestcraft. Believers are the body of Christ, which is Christ's church. To be a member, one must accept the gift and teachings of Jesus, his gospel as confirmed by both two books of scripture: the Holy Bible and the Holy Book of Mormon. You'll find words such as "CARDINAL" and "POPE" absent; and teachings such as transubstantiation and the selling of indulgences absent. It is truly deceiving to come here pretending Catholicism is anything but a morally depraved; ancient and resurrected; hierarchical, blasphemous institution; repent!


Actually, the Holy Ghost was sent, which was promised would comfort us (John 14:16-17 & 18). And Jesus himself said he could come, not Mary, and not some pedophilic priest. You trust that God approves your church attendance and that sitting on a pew once or twice a week and listen to the unscriptural recitals and anointing yourself with holy water, or the cross, etc. impresses God?

If you knew your church history, you would run in horror and remove your name from that church as quickly as possible. Comfort is with God, not some alleged saint, or Mary, a pope or priest. You should read some near death experiences to see how far such misplaced faiths get you on the other side, but the good news, you have time to repent and join other born again Christians who know Christ as their personal Savior. The very group of individuals who founded this great nation of America!

I see I have stumbled my way into a CARM thread.

I'll leave you to it.

[_Albion]

Nonsense. You fail to make a case of any kind for your assertion that the Church of England claims some kind of corner on the path to salvation. They do not and never have despite your convoluted reasoning which has not bearing what you suggest. As a side issue, I know of no Christian church that accepts a Mormon baptism....which in an of itself has nothing whatsoever to do with any claim to exclusivity.

[_DWhitmer]

Nonsense. You fail to make a case...blah, blah, blah

I'll ask again, do lay members perform baptisms, a simple "YES" or "NO" will suffice. Thanks!

[_DWhitmer]

is it ironic that you are using a Book of Mormon verse to defend your position?

Why would you say that it's ironic? Do you read the Holy Book of Mormon? Are you under the church wide curse? Talk about hypocrite.

inaccurate, they insist that one must go through the scriptures to get to God. I have never been taught, nor is it doctrine, that I can not get to God without going through the "Prophet".

What planet were you born on? Either you are the biggest hypocrite or simply don't know what you're pontificating about. Which is it, inquiring minds want to know.

simply not true, women have and are still capable of participating in such blessings. The priesthood is apparent in such verses as John 15:16, James 5:14-15, Hebrews 5:1, Hebrews 10, Numbers 27:18-19 etc.. You would try to confuse the no-longer-necessary sin offerings with priesthood ordinances[

That's hilarious, trying to defend "priesthood" with verses that don't contain the word "priesthood." Give one modern day source of women "participating" in blessings.

your reasoning here simply relies on the assumption that a Prophet, Prophecy, and Revelation can not exist and the scriptures clearly disagree with you.

You're not comprehending. "Doctrine" is what establishing an age whereby ALL children MUST be baptized for SINS. No true "prophet" "prophecy" or "revelation" will ADD to the SIMPLE, yes, SIMPLE doctrine Christ taught and the Holy Book of Mormon restored - NOT the D&C, sorry.

obvious misrepresentation of any facts to the point of being an illogical fantasy.

Gibberish and more gibberish. How do you look at yourself at night?? If it's not in a TEMPLE RECOMMEND INTERVIEW THAN IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR YOUR EXALTATION - RIGHT?

[_Albion]

What does the fact that lay members cannot perform baptisms have to do with anything? Certainly not the topic under discussion You posited that the CofE claims some kind of "one true church" position that gives them a corner on the pathway to God. That is utterly false and to offer the fact that only clergy can baptize as some kind of proof of this is nonsense. The Church of England subscribes to the Christian position that baptism is the outward demonstration, public demonstration if you will, of the saving grace that has already taken place in the sinner. It does not in any way recognize baptism, in an of itself, as a saving ordinance necessary to salvation. As I have tried to explain to gdemetz, baptism is an important part of Christianity, Christians should submit to it, but it is only the outward demonstration of the commitment and heart change already made. Like most Christian denominations, the Church of England does recognize baptisms from other Christian churches....it excludes Mormon baptism from that group.

[_Albion]

In case you still think I haven't answered your question....no, lay people do not baptize in the Church of England.

[_DWhitmer]

What does the fact that lay members cannot perform baptisms have to do with anything? Certainly not the topic under discussion You posited that the CofE claims some kind of "one true church" position that gives them a corner on the pathway to God. That is utterly false and to offer the fact that only clergy can baptize as some kind of proof of this is nonsense. The Church of England subscribes to the Christian position that baptism is the outward demonstration, public demonstration if you will, of the saving grace that has already taken place in the sinner. It does not in any way recognize baptism, in an of itself, as a saving ordinance necessary to salvation. As I have tried to explain to gdemetz, baptism is an important part of Christianity, Christians should submit to it, but it is only the outward demonstration of the commitment and heart change already made. Like most Christian denominations, the Church of England does recognize baptisms from other Christian churches....it excludes Mormon baptism from that group.

You are not getting it, no offense. There is a difference between what written and what is performed. The fact that they regulate who can baptize in their church means they regulate who can get to God. No matter how you try to diminish that sacrament, it is a requirement and the Church of England respects its import as I already linked above.

My position is supported, I'm sorry if that's not how you see your church.

[_Albion]

Firstly, it is not my church, though I have what I would call societal knowledge of it. Secondly, the minority view of Mormonism holds absolutely no value to me in the context of Christian theology. Since the CofE does not, like virtually all of orthodox Christianity, see baptism as in any way "essential" to salvation your point is moot. Seeing things through only a Mormon lens is likely only to give you a cloudy view of what is happening in the Christian world.

[_DWhitmer]

Firstly, it is not my church, though I have what I would call societal knowledge of it. Secondly, the minority view of Mormonism holds absolutely no value to me in the context of Christian theology. Since the CofE does not, like virtually all of orthodox Christianity, see baptism as in any way "essential" to salvation your point is moot. Seeing things through only a Mormon lens is likely only to give you a cloudy view of what is happening in the Christian world.

Well there you go. Even societal knowledge proved the accuracy of my point - virtually all of orthodox Christianity regulate who can perform baptisms, thus, the control the ONLY thing Jesus commanded Paul and others to receive AS instructed by Father God - you must be baptized by water! No matter how your societal knowledge lessens the merit of that ONE and ONLY outward requirement, it IS on their books as a required sacrament.

Your accusation that I have Mormon filters on is misplaced. If you click on the Whitmer College link (below) you learn that David Whitmer was instrumental in removing MANY Mormon filters/blinders/lenses, and if you had any sense, you would be respecting his Book of Mormon testimony instead of running around disavowing the only book that confirms the virgin birth, death, and resurrection of our Lord.

I'll return to my previous point of what Priestcraft is - that any church that requires you to go through it to get to God - period. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. You should read Pagan Christianity AND stop assuming everyone who believes in the Holy Book of Mormon is a Mormon.

[_Albion]

Apologies if I mistake you for a Mormon....you do demonstrate many characteristics of a Mormon. However, from my viewpoint, anyone who gives even the slightest credence to the Book of Mormon as God inspired is debating from a suspect foundation. It certainly does not make them qualified to speak from a position of authority on the CofE especially since you add to your lack of knowledge with statements such as "virtually all of orthodox Christianity regulate who can perform baptisms". I repeat, baptism never saved anyone, it is the outward and public demonstration of the saving grace that has already taken place in the repentant sinner. Should Christians submit to it? Certainly, if only because Jesus did who needed no baptism, but like the thief on the cross who was promised paradise without baptism, we are saved by grace.