Right-Wing Politics and the "Good" Mormon

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Re: Right-Wing Politics and the "Good" Mormon

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Living without restrictions would tend to widen the range of human behavior when humans are actively allowed to engage in a social and economic dog eat dog struggle,


The issue is whether it is moral for the government to force individuals to give up their substance for other people. Conservatives believe that this decision belongs to the individual who earned the money. Liberals believe this decision belongs to the government.

You've heard this before Moshka. I would have expected you to anticipate this argument and at least address it.
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The issue is whether it is moral for the government to force individuals to give up their substance for other people. Conservatives believe that this decision belongs to the individual who earned the money. Liberals believe this decision belongs to the government.


The scripture and doctrine teach that it is in the hands of the individual. The doctrine further stipulates the wrongness of forced charity. Liberals tend to refer to the Book of Mormon, King Benjamin and Mosiah to prove their point, but they selectively avoid the fact that the men of God in the Book of Mormon did not desire to set themselves up as a king or tyrant and burden the people with taxes preferring instead to set the example and work with their own hands.

It all culminates in the Law of Consecration in which we see that private property is the fundamental principle and "equality" does not mean everyone has equal wealth. We also see in that doctrine that the LAw of Consecration can't work under conditions of Socialism and requires FMC to work properly.

Hence it is seen here, as well as on topics of war and chastity and morality that a Democrat (or anything to the left of them) cannot possibly be a good Mormon and that such have to lie or feign ignorance in the TR interview.

"Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"

Democrats are today, one of those groups.
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Conservatism encourages neutral conditions under which an individual is tested and can freely decide between enticements as well as be responsible for his actions.

Living without restrictions would tend to widen the range of human behavior when humans are actively allowed to engage in a social and economic dog eat dog struggle, thereby showing their capacity for villainy and heroics, but does the Church actually say that permitting this villainy to occur is a good thing?


Depends on your definition of villainy. The Law of Consecration itself allows for the individual accumulation of wealth and yet even if they were greedily and grossly done, it hardly falls into any definition of "villainy".

Notice also what the doctrine is:

President Lorenzo Snow emphasized the importance of individual agency in moving forward the work of consecration: “In things that pertain to celestial glory there can be no forced operations. We must do according as the Spirit of the Lord operates upon our understandings and feelings. We cannot be crowded into matters, however great might be the blessing attending such procedure. We cannot be forced into living a celestial law; we must do this ourselves, of our own free will. And whatever we do in regard to the principles of the United Order, we must do it because we desire to do it. Some of us are practising in the spirit of the United Order, doing more than the law of tithing requires.” (In Journal of Discourses, 19:346.)
http://institute.LDS.org/manuals/doctrine-and-covenants-institute-student-manual/dc-in-200-j-l-l.asp


This is why Socialism and the welfare state are the equivalent of Satan's plan and another reason why one cannot be a Democrat and a good Mormon at the same time.
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Can Mormons in countries or areas where the choice is between a socialist canditate or a communist be good Mormons?
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SteelHead wrote:Can Mormons in countries or areas where the choice is between a socialist canditate or a communist be good Mormons?

yes
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Can Mormons in countries or areas where the choice is between a socialist canditate or a communist be good Mormons?


One would think a good Mormon would be able to find another candidate or at least, knowing the doctrine, not support either.
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