Stone Boxes and Metallic Plates

[_Drifting]

I'm lying about my OWN history while online.

First believable thing you've typed...

[_ldsfaqs]

I'm lying about my OWN history while online.

First believable thing you've typed...

And behold for all to see the extreme DEPTH of the anti-mormon mental and moral disorder....

The length the anti-mormon mind will go to both lie and degrade someone falsely and unrighteously.

[_Drifting]

And behold for all to see the extreme DEPTH of the anti-mormon mental and moral disorder....

The length the anti-mormon mind will go to both lie and degrade someone falsely and unrighteously.

CFR

[_subgenius]

Its all about FAITH.

wait!...religion AND faith?...deep waters here...please, be careful many of us are not quite ready for the incredible insights you are providing....impressive.

[_PrickKicker]

LDSFAQS:

("And behold for all to see) < Said like a man selling potions from a wagon.
the extreme DEPTH of the anti-mormon mental and moral disorder....

The length the anti-mormon mind will go to both lie and degrade someone falsely and unrighteously."

SUBGENIUS:

"wait!...religion AND faith?...deep waters here...please, be careful many of us are not quite ready for the incredible insights you are providing....impressive."


And there you have the logic of the Mormon...

Doubt until proven is a Mental disorder, but Faith when based on fairytales and mythology is REAL.

[_Themis]

Frankly I don't remember off hand the DATE of the very first discovery of plates and/or stone boxes "specifically". And a brief search, the earliest I could find was 1860.... well after Joseph Smith.

The idea of stone boxes and metal plates were already a part of Joseph's world in the 1820's. This means apologists would be incorrect to say Joseph couldn't have already known about these ideas. especially since treasures were an important part of his early life. This is true for most kids.

But I do remember there are PLENTY of other things that came known after Joseph for sure.
As to some examples, the fact that you aren't even aware of these things even yourself tells me maybe you aren't as "learned" as you think concerning the Church.

The only example you have brought forth(metal plates and stone boxes) has been shown to be incorrect. I have read plenty of apologetic works, and I find this argument of Joseph could not have known to fail all the time. Perhaps you have another specific example. Just one for now. That can't be to hard since you say you can remember plenty of other things.

[_subgenius]

And there you have the logic of the Mormon...

Doubt until proven is a Mental disorder, but Faith when based on fairytales and mythology is REAL.

'tis far better to have the logic of a Mormon than to be in your predicament where logic doth not dwell at all.

(and to be honest, any fundamental exploration will reveal that "doubt" is not a natural position - to doubt without just cause is irrational and unreasonable, and even quite illogical - though i am sure your "just cause" is as valid as any.....indeed)

[_Drifting]

And there you have the logic of the Mormon...

Doubt until proven is a Mental disorder, but Faith when based on fairytales and mythology is REAL.

'tis far better to have the logic of a Mormon than to be in your predicament where logic doth not dwell at all.

(and to be honest, any fundamental exploration will reveal that "doubt" is not a natural position - to doubt without just cause is irrational and unreasonable, and even quite illogical - though i am sure your "just cause" is as valid as any.....indeed)

Oxymoront

[_Themis]

(and to be honest, any fundamental exploration will reveal that "doubt" is not a natural position - to doubt without just cause is irrational and unreasonable, and even quite illogical - though i am sure your "just cause" is as valid as any.....indeed)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/doubt

If someone said they saw a gremlin in their basement, would you be doubtful(Uncertain), and if yes why? Assume this person has never been known to lie or even joke around.

[_Sethbag]

ldsfaqs and subgenius,
Can one, or preferably both of you sum up what it means for something to be "necessary but not sufficient"?