More Thoughts on Reincarnation
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Re: More Thoughts on Reincarnation
The temple implies reincarnation as this world is the Telestial kingdom. The body and the entire universe are just mental images in our mind like a dream. When the body dies our mind eventually identifies another mental image as itself.
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Re: More Thoughts on Reincarnation
To all Readers, the following shouts the principle of reincarnation; not only for us....but Jesus Christ also went through the same process:
Here Paul teaches us the Good News in such a perfect and beautiful way. I will attempt to explain it in layman’s terms in English, which does not give the teachings the full meaning and understanding that Greek would. As such, we must place our faith in God that He will allow the Holy Ghost to portray the deeper and higher understanding of what Paul is teaching which goes beyond what my words can express.
Acts 13:21-37 (KJV)
21 And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
Note how God foretells that David would fulfill all of God’s will. Surely, God knew that David was going to kill an innocent man. How could this be part of God’s will? Keep reading and you will see closer to the end of this discussion what is going on.
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.25 And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.30 But God raised him from the dead:31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
We learn here that Jesus was an innocent. We also learn that God raised Jesus from the dead “AGAIN” – which tells us that Jesus was previously raised from the dead. Immediately after learning Jesus was raised “again”, Paul points out the prophecy written in Psalm 2:7 “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.” If you will recall, when Jesus was baptized, Father speaks from Heaven that Jesus is His Son in whom He is well pleased. Father makes no mention that Jesus is “begotten” yet. It is after Jesus is raised from the dead “again” that Father claims “this day have I begotten thee”. So what does this tell us? It was during this incarnation that Jesus was perfected and begotten – by the way, Jesus has now become the first begotten (the only first begotten as there can only be one who is the first). Inasmuch as we can also become begotten which carries with it being able to inherit all that the Father has as a first born, Jesus has the distinction of being the first “first” born and gets to inherit this earth as He was the first first born on the earth. When we become joint heirs, we do not inherit this earth – the deed is given to Jesus; not to us. We will inherit other parts of all that Father has.
Now, I also want to present the Greek definition for “begotten”:
Notice how “regenerate” very much describes the change which Jesus taught when He said that our spirit must be reborn of the Spirit. The regeneration of our own spirit needs to take place in the same way that the spirit that was in Jesus’ body was regenerated. And that is when Father declares Jesus as His only begotten Son. Likewise, when our spirit is regenerated, we also become begotten of the Father.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Note how this time Jesus’ resurrection is His last resurrection because this time He will “no more return to corruption.” Remember Paul’s teaching about corruption! Jesus will no longer continue in the cycle of physical death…as corruption is the condition of physical death. So we can see that Jesus has “overcome”---- He has broken the bands of death…the first on the earth to do so. This must be why Enoch and Elijah were taken while they still lived; it was Jesus who would be the first to break the bands of death. This is also why the spirit of Job (who was recognized as being perfect) and the spirit of Daniel (who was recognized as Beloved) would rest until AFTER Jesus broke the bands of death. Their spirits would no longer be placed in corruption even though they had overcome – so instead they would rest until their final resurrection at which time they will receive eternal life. The credit for overcoming (there is that word again: overcome) the bands of death belongs only to Jesus Christ because He was the first to do so. Jesus Christ fulfills the promise given to David wherein it is through David’s lineage that the Savior of our world would come. If we follow the example of Christ, we too can “overcome”, escape further corruption, and receive eternal life. When we receive eternal life we are also known as begotten and become joint-heirs…heirs just as the first born and begotten of our earthly father; however, we are NOT the first first born.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (This comes from Psalm 16:10.)
When Jesus Christ becomes the Holy One He no longer will experience corruption; i.e., physical death on the earth before the earth is reborn. At last the spirit in the body of Jesus will no longer be subjected to corruption. He gets Christed when He is baptized by water and recognized by Father as the Son in whom Father is well pleased. He is perfected in this incarnation where He is known as Jesus, is the first to break the bands of death, and He also Atones for all of the sins of our world, becoming the Messiah, the Savior, the Holy One who will die no more and see no more corruption.
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
We see here that David sees corruption after his physical death. Therefore, the spirit that was in David’s body gets placed into another physical body, for this is the way a spirit experiences corruption----through physical bodies that die. So, back in verse 22 where it states that David shall fulfill all of God’s will, was God lying? NO! When David killed an innocent man, the spirit in David’s body was required to continue the cycle of corruption. Thus the spirit in David obviously did not do all of God’s will while in the incarnation where he was known as David. Since God cannot lie, and we can see that David (or rather the spirit that was in David) moves on to further corruption. During some future incarnation is when David’s spirit will finally fulfill ALL of God’s will.
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Once more Paul clarifies that Jesus Christ who was raised again saw no [more] corruption. At the same time Paul is making a clear distinction that David DID see [more] corruption.
More thoughts in general about this:
Jesus was the first “first” born Son of God on the earth. This is a position of such great importance that it is the Light of Jesus’ spirit which joins our spirit. It was during the incarnation of the spirit that was in the body of Jesus when He became a Christ….”THE” Christ (Christ is a Title) for our world. Because He is the one who willingly offered Himself as the sacrificial lamb of our world that the Father is going to give Him our world---though only after our world has been purified and sanctified through rebirth---And Jesus Christ will be known as and will reign as Lord of Lords and King of Kings. This is why Revelation explains that it is Jesus who is the only one who is able to break the seals on the deed to this earth---because the renewed earth will be His. The power and dominion which Satan now has over the earth will not pass to Satan in the earth’s renewed state. This pattern of how it is that the first born will receive the inheritance in Jewish Tradition is a type for Christ who is the first “first” born (completely spiritually re-born and able then to live in Father’s presence) on our earth who will inherit the reborn earth. WHERE did Jesus go after this particular incarnation when Father called Jesus His Only Begotten Son? Jesus got to go live with Father….no more to see corruption….thus no more to go out because He had overcome death…the first to do so in our world. He is the example we are to follow, and we benefit from His Atonement and by following in His footsteps. When we are begotten of the Father, we will no more go out…no more to see corruption because we have also overcome death; and we will get to enjoy eternal life just like Jesus Christ does. Until we overcome, we will continue to go out and see corruption through the process of our spirit being placed in new physical bodies which die.
And so it is that we also are able to evolve into begotten sons and daughters of Father. In Jewish Tradition it is the first born (who is also known as the begotten of their earthly father) who inherits all that their earthly father owns. This is also a type for how it is that when we are begotten of Father we become joint heirs. Now, even though Jewish tradition only recognized one “first born” who is also known as the begotten, since Jesus Christ was the first “first” born (spiritually reborn) on the earth, He gets to inherit the reborn earth. As joint-heirs we will share in all that the Father has – and He has unnumbered worlds. In being the first first born Son of God for our world, Jesus Christ is the ONLY Son of God who has this distinction; and when He receives the deed to our world, Father will Glorify Him with that distinction and Jesus Christ will be known as Lord of Lords and King of Kings. He will be the first and the last in this world with that Glory and Power and Authority – though this also has layered meanings.
Blessings,
jo
Here Paul teaches us the Good News in such a perfect and beautiful way. I will attempt to explain it in layman’s terms in English, which does not give the teachings the full meaning and understanding that Greek would. As such, we must place our faith in God that He will allow the Holy Ghost to portray the deeper and higher understanding of what Paul is teaching which goes beyond what my words can express.
Acts 13:21-37 (KJV)
21 And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
Note how God foretells that David would fulfill all of God’s will. Surely, God knew that David was going to kill an innocent man. How could this be part of God’s will? Keep reading and you will see closer to the end of this discussion what is going on.
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.25 And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.30 But God raised him from the dead:31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
We learn here that Jesus was an innocent. We also learn that God raised Jesus from the dead “AGAIN” – which tells us that Jesus was previously raised from the dead. Immediately after learning Jesus was raised “again”, Paul points out the prophecy written in Psalm 2:7 “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.” If you will recall, when Jesus was baptized, Father speaks from Heaven that Jesus is His Son in whom He is well pleased. Father makes no mention that Jesus is “begotten” yet. It is after Jesus is raised from the dead “again” that Father claims “this day have I begotten thee”. So what does this tell us? It was during this incarnation that Jesus was perfected and begotten – by the way, Jesus has now become the first begotten (the only first begotten as there can only be one who is the first). Inasmuch as we can also become begotten which carries with it being able to inherit all that the Father has as a first born, Jesus has the distinction of being the first “first” born and gets to inherit this earth as He was the first first born on the earth. When we become joint heirs, we do not inherit this earth – the deed is given to Jesus; not to us. We will inherit other parts of all that Father has.
Now, I also want to present the Greek definition for “begotten”:
G1080 Begotten - Source: e-Sword
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
Notice how “regenerate” very much describes the change which Jesus taught when He said that our spirit must be reborn of the Spirit. The regeneration of our own spirit needs to take place in the same way that the spirit that was in Jesus’ body was regenerated. And that is when Father declares Jesus as His only begotten Son. Likewise, when our spirit is regenerated, we also become begotten of the Father.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Note how this time Jesus’ resurrection is His last resurrection because this time He will “no more return to corruption.” Remember Paul’s teaching about corruption! Jesus will no longer continue in the cycle of physical death…as corruption is the condition of physical death. So we can see that Jesus has “overcome”---- He has broken the bands of death…the first on the earth to do so. This must be why Enoch and Elijah were taken while they still lived; it was Jesus who would be the first to break the bands of death. This is also why the spirit of Job (who was recognized as being perfect) and the spirit of Daniel (who was recognized as Beloved) would rest until AFTER Jesus broke the bands of death. Their spirits would no longer be placed in corruption even though they had overcome – so instead they would rest until their final resurrection at which time they will receive eternal life. The credit for overcoming (there is that word again: overcome) the bands of death belongs only to Jesus Christ because He was the first to do so. Jesus Christ fulfills the promise given to David wherein it is through David’s lineage that the Savior of our world would come. If we follow the example of Christ, we too can “overcome”, escape further corruption, and receive eternal life. When we receive eternal life we are also known as begotten and become joint-heirs…heirs just as the first born and begotten of our earthly father; however, we are NOT the first first born.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (This comes from Psalm 16:10.)
When Jesus Christ becomes the Holy One He no longer will experience corruption; i.e., physical death on the earth before the earth is reborn. At last the spirit in the body of Jesus will no longer be subjected to corruption. He gets Christed when He is baptized by water and recognized by Father as the Son in whom Father is well pleased. He is perfected in this incarnation where He is known as Jesus, is the first to break the bands of death, and He also Atones for all of the sins of our world, becoming the Messiah, the Savior, the Holy One who will die no more and see no more corruption.
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
We see here that David sees corruption after his physical death. Therefore, the spirit that was in David’s body gets placed into another physical body, for this is the way a spirit experiences corruption----through physical bodies that die. So, back in verse 22 where it states that David shall fulfill all of God’s will, was God lying? NO! When David killed an innocent man, the spirit in David’s body was required to continue the cycle of corruption. Thus the spirit in David obviously did not do all of God’s will while in the incarnation where he was known as David. Since God cannot lie, and we can see that David (or rather the spirit that was in David) moves on to further corruption. During some future incarnation is when David’s spirit will finally fulfill ALL of God’s will.
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Once more Paul clarifies that Jesus Christ who was raised again saw no [more] corruption. At the same time Paul is making a clear distinction that David DID see [more] corruption.
More thoughts in general about this:
Jesus was the first “first” born Son of God on the earth. This is a position of such great importance that it is the Light of Jesus’ spirit which joins our spirit. It was during the incarnation of the spirit that was in the body of Jesus when He became a Christ….”THE” Christ (Christ is a Title) for our world. Because He is the one who willingly offered Himself as the sacrificial lamb of our world that the Father is going to give Him our world---though only after our world has been purified and sanctified through rebirth---And Jesus Christ will be known as and will reign as Lord of Lords and King of Kings. This is why Revelation explains that it is Jesus who is the only one who is able to break the seals on the deed to this earth---because the renewed earth will be His. The power and dominion which Satan now has over the earth will not pass to Satan in the earth’s renewed state. This pattern of how it is that the first born will receive the inheritance in Jewish Tradition is a type for Christ who is the first “first” born (completely spiritually re-born and able then to live in Father’s presence) on our earth who will inherit the reborn earth. WHERE did Jesus go after this particular incarnation when Father called Jesus His Only Begotten Son? Jesus got to go live with Father….no more to see corruption….thus no more to go out because He had overcome death…the first to do so in our world. He is the example we are to follow, and we benefit from His Atonement and by following in His footsteps. When we are begotten of the Father, we will no more go out…no more to see corruption because we have also overcome death; and we will get to enjoy eternal life just like Jesus Christ does. Until we overcome, we will continue to go out and see corruption through the process of our spirit being placed in new physical bodies which die.
And so it is that we also are able to evolve into begotten sons and daughters of Father. In Jewish Tradition it is the first born (who is also known as the begotten of their earthly father) who inherits all that their earthly father owns. This is also a type for how it is that when we are begotten of Father we become joint heirs. Now, even though Jewish tradition only recognized one “first born” who is also known as the begotten, since Jesus Christ was the first “first” born (spiritually reborn) on the earth, He gets to inherit the reborn earth. As joint-heirs we will share in all that the Father has – and He has unnumbered worlds. In being the first first born Son of God for our world, Jesus Christ is the ONLY Son of God who has this distinction; and when He receives the deed to our world, Father will Glorify Him with that distinction and Jesus Christ will be known as Lord of Lords and King of Kings. He will be the first and the last in this world with that Glory and Power and Authority – though this also has layered meanings.
Blessings,
jo