Same Sex Marriage - UK takes another step forward...

[_Quasimodo]

Ludwigm said exactly what I was thinking. It's a very good thing that Bibles are not in schools. Bibles, Torahs, Korans, Gitas have no place in schools. Religions that think they already have the answers do not belong in institutions that attempt to foster critical thinking. If you wish your children to have some religious affiliation you can teach them that at home or in church.

The purpose of the separation of church and state is so that no one religion or sect is supported by the government. How loud would you howl if the Mahabharata was required reading in public schools?

As for humanism. Here's a definition:

Humanism is a group of philosophies and ethical perspectives which emphasize the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers individual thought and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

We are all humans (even you).

[_Jutta]

There is religious instruction in some states of Germany. In other states, such as in Berlin, the subject ethic. The pupils get notes in this subject but religion does not overlay other school subjects. Except in private schools which were founded by religions. The teachings of " intelligent design " permits there.

[_Bazooka]

The philosophy held by Timothy Leary was/is shared by many baby boomers. The Bible was removed from the majority of educational institutions and replaced with Humanism. Many people are murdered every day and most for very silly nonreligious rationalizations by pathetic individuals. I think you've been hanging around that belfry for far too long...

Are you suggesting people aren't murdered for religious rationalisations?
Are you suggesting the murder of people for religious rationalisations is a good thing?

[_LittleNipper]

The philosophy held by Timothy Leary was/is shared by many baby boomers. The Bible was removed from the majority of educational institutions and replaced with Humanism. Many people are murdered every day and most for very silly nonreligious rationalizations by pathetic individuals. I think you've been hanging around that belfry for far too long...

Are you suggesting people aren't murdered for religious rationalisations?
Are you suggesting the murder of people for religious rationalisations is a good thing?

No, but are you suggesting religious thought is the main reason for murder? Are you suggesting that the murder of people for other ideals is a good thing?

[_LittleNipper]

Ludwigm said exactly what I was thinking. It's a very good thing that Bibles are not in schools. Bibles, Torahs, Korans, Gitas have no place in schools. Religions that think they already have the answers do not belong in institutions that attempt to foster critical thinking. If you wish your children to have some religious affiliation you can teach them that at home or in church.

The purpose of the separation of church and state is so that no one religion or sect is supported by the government. How loud would you howl if the Mahabharata was required reading in public schools?

As for humanism. Here's a definition:

Humanism is a group of philosophies and ethical perspectives which emphasize the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers individual thought and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

We are all humans (even you).

So you see nothing wrong with public school having children read "1984," Fahrenheit 451," "Splendor in the Grass," "Raisin in the Sun," and "The Grapes of Wrath" without any insider knowledge of what might be considered right or wrong or why? The government has no legal right to be teaching anything. And the sooner people like yourself understand that, the sooner education will again become an institution of learning and not mainly for one sided propaganda and a liberal soapbox. And if "My Two Dad's" is a picture book about a child and his gay parents and not about a child's relationship with his Daddy and a heavenly Father, well that's just fine with you --- I suppose?

[_Albion]

Little Nipper, while I might agree with you on matters of Christian theology and faith, I struggle with the idea of the collective church involving itself heavily in today's social and political issues. The charge given by Christ to his church is summed up in the Great Commission ..." go into the world and make disciples..." Sadly took often, I think, the world knows all too well what Christianity is against and less about what it is for. Perhaps it is semantics but I believe the church should be about the business of preaching Christ and his Gospel. Scripture tells us that the world is fallen and it can only be healed by changing "hearts" committed to Christ...one person at a time instead of wailing at the ills of the fallen world...after all, how else can it behave?

[_Quasimodo]

So you see nothing wrong with public school having children read "1984," Fahrenheit 451," "Splendor in the Grass," "Raisin in the Sun," and "The Grapes of Wrath" without any insider knowledge of what might be considered right or wrong or why?

All the books you named are great books (especially "The Grapes of Wrath") . All are works of fiction and don't pretend to be anything else but fiction. Who's insider knowledge would you like to teach alongside those? Muslims? Hindus?

You show your ignorance by saying "insider knowledge". You do not have that sort of knowledge. You only pretend that you have. You are even pretending to yourself.

The book that you would like to have taught along with those is fiction as well and you cannot prove otherwise. The difference between that book and the others is that book pretends to be truth. The others are honest enough to admit that they are fictional.

The government has no legal right to be teaching anything. And the sooner people like yourself understand that, the sooner education will again become an institution of learning and not mainly for one sided propaganda and a liberal soapbox. And if "My Two Dad's" is a picture book about a child and his gay parents and not about a child's relationship with his Daddy and a heavenly Father, well that's just fine with you --- I suppose?

I believe the Federal Government has every legal right to mandate public schools. I think State Governments control the curriculum in their individual public schools. You do have the option to send your children to private (religious) schools.

If you had your way we would all still be living in the middle ages. You should read up on it. It wasn't a happy time. Organized religion held more power than Governments. Ignorance, poverty, starvation and disease prevailed. They spent a lot of time burning people at the stake and stuff.

[Guest]

So you see nothing wrong with public school having children read "1984," Fahrenheit 451," "Splendor in the Grass," "Raisin in the Sun," and "The Grapes of Wrath" without any insider knowledge of what might be considered right or wrong or why? The government has no legal right to be teaching anything. And the sooner people like yourself understand that, the sooner education will again become an institution of learning and not mainly for one sided propaganda and a liberal soapbox. And if "My Two Dad's" is a picture book about a child and his gay parents and not about a child's relationship with his Daddy and a heavenly Father, well that's just fine with you --- I suppose?

Back when I was a lad, my parents (neither of whom had read the Bible cover to cover) decided to get us up early every morning and study the scriptures as a family. We started with Genesis, reading an entire chapter aloud each morning. Things went great for about a month and a half until we stumbled across this wonderful little passage, here:

7 And Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan: 'Go in unto thy brother's wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her, and raise up seed to thy brother.'
9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his; and it came to pass when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; and He slew him also.

It goes without saying that my family was shocked and sickened to the very core of our being!

I agree with Nipper who believes that graphic and gratuitous books like the Holy Bible should be banned! Moreover, the miscreants who expose this filth to sweet, innocent children should be punished to the fullest extent of the law! Thank you, Brother Nipper for having the courage to take a stand for decency and purity!

[_subgenius]

So you see nothing wrong with public school having children read "1984," Fahrenheit 451," "Splendor in the Grass," "Raisin in the Sun," and "The Grapes of Wrath" without any insider knowledge of what might be considered right or wrong or why? The government has no legal right to be teaching anything. And the sooner people like yourself understand that, the sooner education will again become an institution of learning and not mainly for one sided propaganda and a liberal soapbox. And if "My Two Dad's" is a picture book about a child and his gay parents and not about a child's relationship with his Daddy and a heavenly Father, well that's just fine with you --- I suppose?

Back when I was a lad, my parents (neither of whom had read the Bible cover to cover) decided to get us up early every morning and study the scriptures as a family. We started with Genesis, reading an entire chapter aloud each morning. Things went great for about a month and a half until we stumbled across this wonderful little passage, here:

7 And Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan: 'Go in unto thy brother's wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her, and raise up seed to thy brother.'
9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his; and it came to pass when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; and He slew him also.

It goes without saying that my family was shocked and sickened to the very core of our being!

I agree with Nipper who believes that graphic and gratuitous books like the Holy Bible should be banned! Moreover, the miscreants who read this filth to sweet, innocent children should be punished to the fullest extent of the law! Thank you, Brother Nipper for having the courage to take a stand for decency and purity!

Problem is, what you quoted is not gratuitous.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Problem is, what you quoted is not gratuitous.

I beg to differ, Subby. The phrase "...that he spilled it on the ground..." is gratuitous in the sense that it is needlessly graphic. The messy mental image of Onan flogging his dolphin is entirely superfluous.