LDS Missionaries among the Homeless?

[_Jtarb]

On the one hand, in the United States missionaries have little to do with temporal/physical issues. On the other, there is nothing stopping LDS non-missionaries from volunteering with secular or religious ministries that I know of or starting their own. Deseret Industries does a good job in states that have it of offering physical/temporal needs and assisting those in the Church when a Bishop asks for goods to give.

I know that we were far from a Deseret Industries when I lived in Georgia as a young man. The Bishop at the time assisted us with firewood, a certain amount of money for my mother (which I don't know because I was 11), and toys for the children. This was not a meager amount of stuff, yet we were attending the Church at the time.

I don't know the answer to balancing helping others spiritually/physically and helping those in the Church/outside the Church. I know that I've volunteered with Foursquare homeless ministries and such, though without consequence and much enjoyment.

[_Bazooka]

Subby, bump.

you are desperate....reminds me of Drift.....

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/h ... -resources
http://ldscharities.org/?lang=eng
http://www.ldsphilanthropies.org/humani ... -fund.html

money for city creek pales in comparison, even when its complete budget is valued.

Thanks for the links subby, unfortunately none of them provide a numerical estimate or published figures on what quantity of funds they expend.

So I repeat the question (that you seem unable or unwilling to answer);
How much, in donated $Dollars, gets spent on the above type of activity vs how much was spent on, say, City Creek?
(Given your assertion that it 'pales in comparison' I'm sure you have supporting data to back it up)

Let me help you:
For the 27 year period 1985 - 2011 the Church expended in donations (cash, materials, and an estimate of time donated) in total $1.4 billion.
That's for everything you posted a link to and everything else falling under the banner of humanitarian aid.
$1.4 billion in total for over a quarter of a century's humanitarian expenditure.
http://www.LDS.org/bc/content/shared/co ... -sheet.pdf

City Creek, one single project in a small corner of Salt Lake City cost the Church (in liquid funds) $____________________
(Being familiar with building costs I'm sure you can give an estimate, to the nearest $billion say?)

Additional Question - if the finances of the Church are private, why does the Church publish financial information about humanitarian expenditure?
(Clue: PR)

[_subgenius]

you are desperate....reminds me of Drift.....

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/h ... -resources
http://ldscharities.org/?lang=eng
http://www.ldsphilanthropies.org/humani ... -fund.html

money for city creek pales in comparison, even when its complete budget is valued.

Thanks for the links subby, unfortunately none of them provide a numerical estimate or published figures on what quantity of funds they expend.

So I repeat the question (that you seem unable or unwilling to answer);
How much, in donated $Dollars, gets spent on the above type of activity vs how much was spent on, say, City Creek?
(Given your assertion that it 'pales in comparison' I'm sure you have supporting data to back it up)

Let me help you:
For the 27 year period 1985 - 2011 the Church expended in donations (cash, materials, and an estimate of time donated) in total $1.4 billion.
That's for everything you posted a link to and everything else falling under the banner of humanitarian aid.
$1.4 billion in total for over a quarter of a century's humanitarian expenditure.
http://www.LDS.org/bc/content/shared/co ... -sheet.pdf

City Creek, one single project in a small corner of Salt Lake City cost the Church (in liquid funds) $____________________
(Being familiar with building costs I'm sure you can give an estimate, to the nearest $billion say?)

Additional Question - if the finances of the Church are private, why does the Church publish financial information about humanitarian expenditure?
(Clue: PR)

not sure what you are trying to propose....no tithing was used for City Creek...tithing does get used for humanitarian aid....so while you are trying to make apple sauce, everyone else is drinking orange juice.

[_Bazooka]

not sure what you are trying to propose....no tithing was used for City Creek...tithing does get used for humanitarian aid....so while you are trying to make apple sauce, everyone else is drinking orange juice.

I accept your surrender.

[_subgenius]

not sure what you are trying to propose....no tithing was used for City Creek...tithing does get used for humanitarian aid....so while you are trying to make apple sauce, everyone else is drinking orange juice.

I accept your surrender.

One of your usual delusional posts, almost as delusional as your city creek posts.
Why are you so upset that the church does legitimate humanitarian acts which exceed, even conceptually, the city creek project?
When presented with facts, your presuppositions dismiss them, thus making the discussion of reality a rather futile exercise with you.
I Ann sorry that the church is not as corrupt as you long for it to be....but you won't find resolution with the persistent fantasy that the church is somehow actually bad.

[_Bazooka]

One of your usual delusional posts, almost as delusional as your city creek posts.
Why are you so upset that the church does legitimate humanitarian acts which exceed, even conceptually, the city creek project?
When presented with facts, your presuppositions dismiss them, thus making the discussion of reality a rather futile exercise with you.
I Ann sorry that the church is not as corrupt as you long for it to be....but you won't find resolution with the persistent fantasy that the church is somehow actually bad.

Still not posting facts or figures in rebuttal i see...

How do you know the Church isn't corrupt when you have no idea where most of the tithing the money goes?

[_Bazooka]

Here is some evidence of the Church giving $500,000 aid to the poor and the needy....well...if you consider gifting a residential property 'aid' and Dallin H. Oaks as 'poor and needy' that is....

http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.co.uk ... hings.html

[_subgenius]

Here is some evidence of the Church giving $500,000 aid to the poor and the needy....well...if you consider gifting a residential property 'aid' and Dallin H. Oaks as 'poor and needy' that is....

http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.co.uk ... hings.html

so people working and spending their earned money to buy a house is now un-Christ-like?
Let me guess, Christ-like to you is only achieved when a person does not make more money than you...as soon as a person exceeds your paltry income and material possessions they are inherently greedy, extravagant, and unconcerned about the poor and homeless.
Got It!

[_Bazooka]

Here is some evidence of the Church giving $500,000 aid to the poor and the needy....well...if you consider gifting a residential property 'aid' and Dallin H. Oaks as 'poor and needy' that is....

http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.co.uk ... hings.html

so people working and spending their earned money to buy a house is now un-Christ-like?
Let me guess, Christ-like to you is only achieved when a person does not make more money than you...as soon as a person exceeds your paltry income and material possessions they are inherently greedy, extravagant, and unconcerned about the poor and homeless.
Got It!

Well, if you check it out you may find that Mr Oaks didn't really 'earn' it in the traditional sense.
The Church donated it to him.
Nice 'work' if you can get it.
(Don't let it bother you when you're next on the roster for cleaning up urine from the Chapel toilet floor)

[_Bazooka]

One of your usual delusional posts, almost as delusional as your city creek posts.
Why are you so upset that the church does legitimate humanitarian acts which exceed, even conceptually, the city creek project?
When presented with facts, your presuppositions dismiss them, thus making the discussion of reality a rather futile exercise with you.
I Ann sorry that the church is not as corrupt as you long for it to be....but you won't find resolution with the persistent fantasy that the church is somehow actually bad.

Still not posting facts or figures in rebuttal i see...

How do you know the Church isn't corrupt when you have no idea where most of the tithing the money goes?

Still no figures, huh.....