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[Guest]

Well, she is a Christian, I've never changed my stance of that Biblical value. And she has never asked for a divorce.

If you feel that is God's desire why haven't you taken on more wives?
Is your wife up for having more than one husband, and if so, how do you feel about that?

[_The Erotic Apologist]

...bait 'n switch...making crap up...Antisemitism...dishonesty...hypocrisy...milk before meat...homophobia...inventing new doctrine...barbaric superstition...mote/beam/eye...runs away from tough questions...fetishizes Divine violence...witch burner...Roy Khon syndrome...dumb beliefs about Chinese characters...can't admit it when he doesn't know an answer...thinks the London Underground is a political movement...

All of the above would make you a very good Mormon.

[_LittleNipper]

...bait 'n switch...making crap up...Antisemitism...dishonesty...hypocrisy...milk before meat...homophobia...inventing new doctrine...barbaric superstition...mote/beam/eye...runs away from tough questions...fetishizes Divine violence...witch burner...Roy Khon syndrome...dumb beliefs about Chinese characters...can't admit it when he doesn't know an answer...thinks the London Underground is a political movement...

All of the above would make you a very good Mormon.

And I thought that Londoner's called it the "Tube."

[_LittleNipper]

Well, she is a Christian, I've never changed my stance of that Biblical value. And she has never asked for a divorce.

If you feel that is God's desire why haven't you taken on more wives?
Is your wife up for having more than one husband, and if so, how do you feel about that?

Do you speak English? God created Adam and Eve. God didn't create Adam and Eve, Mary, Anne, and Michelle. Nor did God create from the dust Adam, Bill, Todd, Sam and Eve.

[_maklelan]

Ex nihilo is a Latin phrase meaning "out of nothing". It often appears in conjunction with the concept of creation, as in creatio ex nihilo, meaning "creation out of nothing"—chiefly in philosophical or theological contexts, but also occurs in other fields.

The Bible and Book of Mormon agree, God created everything Ex nihilo

No, creation ex nihilo developed in the second century CE in an effort to one-up the apologists' Greco-Roman philosophical antagonists. You can read more about this development here:

David Winston, "The Book of Wisdom's Theory of Cosmogony," History of Religions 11.2 (1971): 186-87

Jonathan A. Goldstein, "The Origins of the Doctrine of Creation Ex Nihilo," Journal of Jewish Studies 35.2 (1984): 127-35.

David Winston, "Creation Ex Nihilo Revisited: A Reply to Jonathan Goldstein," Journal of Jewish Studies 37.1 (1986): 88-91.

Jonathan Goldstein, "Creation Ex Nihilo: Recantations and Restatements," Journal of Jewish Studies 38.2 (1987): 187-94.

Gerhard May, Creatio Ex Nihilo: The Doctrine of "Creation Out of Nothing" in Early Christian Thought (trans. A. S. Worrall; Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1994), 6-8.

James N. Hubler, "Creatio ex Nihilo: Matter, Creation, and the Body in Classical and Christian Philosophy through Aquinas" (PhD diss., University of Pennsylvania, 1995).

Maren R. Niehoff, "Creatio ex Nihilo Theology in Genesis Rabbah in Light of Christian Exegesis," Harvard Theological Review 99.1 (2006): 37-64.

Hebrews 11

King James Version (KJV)
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

A better translation of εἰς τὸ μὴ ἐκ φαινομένων τά βλεπόμενα γεγονέναι would be, "out of things which do not appear, that which is seen was made." This fits into the Platonic notion of non-being and being, which is addressed at length in the publications I cited above. In short, it has nothing to do with creation ex nihilol

Romans 4:
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

See above. τὰ μὴ ὄντα is almost verbatim the language used in the Platonic expression of the notion of "non-being" (which doesn't really match our modern notion of "non-being," so don't waste everyone's time trying to insist that support creation ex nihilo).

Psalm 33
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Nowhere does this say anything was made ex nihilo.

Jacob 4:9
9 For behold, by the power of his word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the dearth, or the workmanship of his hands upon the face of it, according to his will and pleasure?

Nowhere does this say anything was made ex nihilo.

[_Mittens]

better check the original language Reformed Egyptian

[_maklelan]

better check the original language Reformed Egyptian

Well, that doesn't add anything to your case.

[_Mittens]

better check the original language Reformed Egyptian

Well, that doesn't add anything to your case.

Very true since Reformed Egyptian doesn't exist and the Book of Mormon is a mythical book compiled by a professor of the Creeds of the 4th and 5th century Creeds

http://thetruthaboutmormonism-creeksalm ... reeds.html

[_maklelan]

Very true since Reformed Egyptian doesn't exist and the Book of Mormon is a mythical book compiled by a professor of the Creeds of the 4th and 5th century Creeds

http://thetruthaboutmormonism-creeksalm ... reeds.html

Again, just ignoring my claims and slinging childish rhetoric doesn't help your case at all, it just exposes the inadequacy of your case and your ability to defend it.

[_Mittens]

Very true since Reformed Egyptian doesn't exist and the Book of Mormon is a mythical book compiled by a professor of the Creeds of the 4th and 5th century Creeds

http://thetruthaboutmormonism-creeksalm ... reeds.html

Again, just ignoring my claims and slinging childish rhetoric doesn't help your case at all, it just exposes the inadequacy of your case and your ability to defend it.

Now who's using childish rhetoric with no substance

Why would God tell Joseph Smith JR the Creeds were an abomination and professors were corrupt and the then give Joseph Smith the Book of Mormon which agreed with these Creeds and professors

Pearl of Great Price , Joseph Smith History

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
Here are Joseph Smith statements against the Creeds and the Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith: Many men say there is one God; the Father, the
son and the Holy Ghost are only one God! I say this is a strange God
anyhow—three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization. . . . All
are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the
biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God—he would be a
giant or a monster.“

(History of the Church * Volume 6 Page 476 * 1844

"God himself was
once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder
heavens. That is the great secret... …I am going to tell you how God came to be
God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will
refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the
first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and
to know...that he was once a man like us.... Here, then, is eternal life - to
know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods
yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done
before you... (“King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346, and History of the Church, vol.
6, 305-307,)"

2 Nephi 31:
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.


Alma 11:
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Mormon 7:
7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.

The Testimony of Three Witnesses
And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Oliver Cowdery
David Whitmer
Martin Harris

Doctrine and Covenants 20 :
28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.

2 Nephi 26:12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;



Moroni 7:22 For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting , behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.



Moroni 8:18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.


Mormon 9:9 For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever , and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing?

Hebrews 12: 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

2 Nephi 19:9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.

Mosiah 3:5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

3 Nephi 19:
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

Mosiah 5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Translated by Joseph Smith, Jun.

Mosiah 4: 9 Believe in God; believe that he is, and that he created all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all wisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend.

Mormons follow a different Christ then Christians...
The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak as been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the matters of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Church News, June 20, 1998, p70)
Mormons also follow a different Jesus than Book of Mormon