Is our understanding of The Trinity and Godhead correct?

[_Thorwald]

Connect the dots? Is the assumption that the scripture can not be broken, which i am thinking is a way of saying can not contradict itself, true? Where is this established? Which translation does it apply to, and what does it mean contextually? Does it cover the whole Bible as existant today, as the Bible as existant totday didn't exist when this pronouncement was given? Does it cover the verses in the gospels that are later additions?

Example

Geneisis 32:30

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Which member of the godhead did he see and wrestle with?

The 'authorized' KJV Bible I use, is the only Bible that God used, in order to teach me. That is good enough for me. He also showed me that the NIV study Bible has changed some of His Word [even in the book of Revelation, which is VERY spiritually dangerous].

John 10:35 KJV Bible tells us that scripture [plural...all scripture] cannot be broken. Scriptures that 'seem' to contradict each other, are simply not being translated properly. There are errors, however. One example is the listing of generations found in the Bible. The New Testament listings contain one extra generation than found in Genesis.

In answer to your second question, "I can only guess, so I will not answer your question." It is not important to me, to know the answer to your question. The Lord God Almighty and Jesus [as Lord of Hosts] are both part of the Godhead and are both THE WORD ["The Word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me." Jesus stated, "My Father and I are one," and, "My Father is greater than I." Why would it bother you, which one wrestled with Jacob?

[_SteelHead]

Because some one saw god and lived.

[_Thorwald]

Because some one saw god and lived.

MANY have seen GOD and lived. No one can see THE FATHER of THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. Stephen saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. So did I. John saw both figures in Revelation chapters 4 & 5. Read Exodus chapter 33 (concerning Moses & God). Isaiah saw God on His throne [and assumed he had seen Jesus as Lord of Hosts].

This is a subject for debate. Did we see The Lord God Almighty, or did we see Jesus, twice? I don't know. Since both figures/persons are an exact 'duplicate' of each other, perhaps God had Jesus appear in duplicate, in order to alleviate this problem. Who knows? Did God visit Adam & Eve, or did Jesus? Did they both visit Adam & Eve?

It 'appears' to me, that there is confusion in the scriptures, when the people see 'GOD'. Who were they actually seeing? If not for John 5:37, we would not even know that there is an 'invisible to man' Father. Were the Old Testament prophets aware of this? I don't think so. I think that there is a mix-up between The Lord God Almighty and the 'invisible' Father. It appears that this was some-what corrected in the New Testament.

[_SteelHead]

Thorwald, I hate to break it to you, but for the crowd here you are 180 years to late. We all come here to discuss the restoration of the true word of god, as revealed and restored through his prophet/apostle who saw Jesus and the lord god Almighty and was called to correct the mistranslations and other plain and precious truths that had been corrupted over the previous 1800 years and to restore to the world the fulness of the gospel, ordinances and priesthood of god.The name of said prophet, Joseph Smith.

Sorry, you are just too late.

[_Thorwald]

Thorwald, I hate to break it to you, but for the crowd here you are 180 years to late. We all come here to discuss the restoration of the true word of god, as revealed and restored through his prophet/apostle who saw Jesus and the lord god Almighty and was called to correct the mistranslations and other plain and precious truths that had been corrupted over the previous 1800 years and to restore to the world the fulness of the gospel, ordinances and priesthood of god.The name of said prophet, Joseph Smith.

Sorry, you are just too late.

Better late than never. I attended a Mormon Church here in Thunder Bay, Ontario for several Sundays, on invitation from two Mormon missionaries. I enjoyed the members of the congregation, and I really appreciated how friendly everyone was to me. They allowed me to borrow the book on their past presidents, and their book containing their doctrines. I read both books. I was also given a copy of the Book of Mormon. I read many chapters in this book.

I am going to shock you here. The missionaries told me that they believed that we were in heaven before being born on earth. I was sitting on a couch in my accounting office, mentally thinking about this, when all of a sudden, I 're-lived' my carnal birth. I again, was in my mother, starting at the point just before her water broke. I lived through the whole birth process, until I was 'delivered'. I explained this birth in my book, as it happened to me, step by step. The missionaries are WRONG.

I believe that what Joseph Smith saw, happened in a dream, and he misinterpreted his dream that was in riddles. In order for Joseph Smith to be a real prophet, he would have experienced Numbers 12:6. If he did, then something is wrong with how he interpreted what he saw. I think he took what he saw, as 'face value' instead of realizing, that he was dealing with 'riddles', and needing God's wisdom to properly interpret these riddles. I could be wrong. It has been over 11 years, since I read what Joseph Smith 'experienced'.

[_ludwigm]

Thorwald, I hate to break it to you, but for the crowd here you are 180 years to late.
...
Sorry, you are just too late.

I believe that what Joseph Smith saw, happened in a dream, and he misinterpreted his dream that was in riddles.

I believe that what you saw, happened in a dream, and you misinterpreted your dream that was in riddles.

by the way there is a Hungarian saying:
Bolond, aki az álmát elmeséli, és még bolondabb, aki meghallgatja
Fool [is] who tells his dream, and [is] even crazier, who listens [it] (google translation with my patches...)



Sorry, the kind of people like you are twelve in a dozen.
All of them know that they are the only ones.

Unfortunately - for the world - there are thousands. (your name is Legion: for you are many --- Mark 5:9)

At least on this site we have already one, so you are welcomed in the Club of Prophets of MDB.

[_Spanner]

Theowald, have you looked at the work Margaret Barker has done on the Father God and Son God in the Old Testament? The theory is that deliberate attempts were made to fuse the two, for example when Abraham and Melchizedek offered sacrifices to an apparent compromise God. El Elyon was originally the father of Yahwe, but the two were fused. http://www.margaretbarker.com/

Marcion was also one of many who have detected multiple gods in the scriptures. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

There is a fair bit of support for any number of gods in the Bible, particularly the portions based on Canaanite mythology. Up to 70 if you consider all the sons of El Elyon. Like Joseph Smith, you are discovering polytheistic remnants in the Bible. Reading that book can only drive you mad if you think it is literal history.

[_Spanner]

I believe that what Joseph Smith saw, happened in a dream, and he misinterpreted his dream that was in riddles.

I believe that what you saw, happened in a dream, and you misinterpreted your dream that was in riddles.

by the way there is a Hungarian saying:
Bolond, aki az álmát elmeséli, és még bolondabb, aki meghallgatja
Fool [is] who tells his dream, and [is] even crazier, who listens [it] (google translation with my patches...)



Sorry, the kind of people like you are twelve in a dozen.
All of them know that they are the only ones.

Unfortunately - for the world - there are thousands. (your name is Legion: for you are many --- Mark 5:9)

At least on this site we have already one, so you are welcomed in the Club of Prophets of MDB.

"School of the Prophets"?

[_ludwigm]

"School of the Prophets"?

Outdated.
I am talking about Nightlion's apocalrock...
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[_SteelHead]

I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

History it seems, is repetitious.