(Barren)Bering Ice Bridge Theory

[Guest]

You do not seem to understand that researches who know nothing about the Book of Mormon are not going to vouch for it but their research does.

The best part about it is that they are non LDS.

The evidence is there.

The artifacts are there and so is the civilization.

You want a non LDS researcher who has never studied the Book of Mormon to confirm the link between the artifacts and hopewell civilization.

If a professional researcher does do this do you really think this will change your mind about the Book of Mormon I'm telling you it won't.

Why don't you have the courage and the faith to try? Surely the Lord would make it possible for this rock to roll forth. Or do you think the Lord expects his gospel to take off from a forum of mostly exMormons? I think there's a question in the temple recommend interview that seems to indicate otherwise.

If you can't even convince your own Mormon brethren, it's an exercise in masochism and ritualistic behavior. But if that's all you've got left, I guess you have to run with it.

Just so you know that if you put up a wall of text, I will, too. You remind me of Steve Benson that way. You must appreciate that comparison. You're like the creationists that have 10,000 links to Henry Morris's dingleberries of divine deluge truths that you expect us to refute one by one. Nah nah nah. Burden is on you and there is an established process. You're trying the same sidestep as the gurus and the flatearthers and the demonically possessed and alien probed. Evidence. Not your links. Your research presented like every body else has to do. Spend less time on whining and repeating and more on producing a truly convincing case, ready for peer review. That's the path out of crackpot status. For everybody, not just you.

[_bomgeography]

The hopewell civilzation dates to the right period of the Book of Mormon.
Their artifacts match Book of Mormon artifacts.

The location matches the Book of Mormon

Their DNA is from the Middle East

There is a lot more to it.

[_tapirrider]

You do not seem to understand that researches who know nothing about the Book of Mormon are not going to vouch for it but their research does.

The best part about it is that they are non LDS.

The evidence is there.

The artifacts are there and so is the civilization.

You want a non LDS researcher who has never studied the Book of Mormon to confirm the link between the artifacts and hopewell civilization.

If a professional researcher does do this do you really think this will change your mind about the Book of Mormon I'm telling you it won't.

You are overlooking the numerous theories of the peopling of America dating back 500 years. The researchers understand those theories far better than you do. That includes everything from ancient Hebrews migrating to America to alleged inhabitants of the lost civilization of Atlantis. The conclusions reached by researchers today are based on sound evidence and weighed against long standing alternate theories. Your claim that they know nothing about the Book of Mormon is not correct. And even for those who don't, the basic theme of the Book of Mormon of ocean migrations to the Americas and Hebrew based civilizations has long been discredited. In a nutshell, your attempt to defend your alternate history by claiming that researchers don't understand the Book of Mormon just doesn't hold up. And I still don't understand why you continue to promote the Michigan relics and the elephant effigy pipes and other known hoax artifacts. You do this even in the face of your church's position that those Michigan relics are hoax artifacts. It would seem that even though you know about the Book of Mormon and are a member of the church, you just go off in whatever tangent reality appeals to you no matter what your church says. That doesn't give you any standing to try to claim that researchers know nothing about the Book of Mormon.

[_bomgeography]

The heartland model has a convention every year where hundreds maybe thousands of people attend. They discuss they evidence the North American model and native traditions present.
They even pay money to go on tours to hopewell archeological sites.

I don't know if I agree with that part of it but there is a definite market for it.

The days of saying there is no evidence is over

That argument was true for meso America that's not the case anymore.

[_Themis]

The hopewell civilzation dates to the right period of the Book of Mormon.
Their artifacts match Book of Mormon artifacts.

The location matches the Book of Mormon

Their DNA is from the Middle East

There is a lot more to it.

Nope DNA too old which you have admitted but just want to think scientists don't know what they are doing. Many of the artifacts you use are known fakes.

[_Lemmie]

Burden is on you and there is an established process. You're trying the same sidestep as the gurus and the flatearthers and the demonically possessed and alien probed. Evidence. Not your links. Your research presented like every body else has to do. Spend less time on whining and repeating and more on producing a truly convincing case, ready for peer review. That's the path out of crackpot status. For everybody, not just you.

Excellent advice, Maks. Cogent and to the point. Here's hoping McKane reads it.

The hopewell civilzation dates to the right period of the Book of Mormon.
Their artifacts match Book of Mormon artifacts.

The location matches the Book of Mormon

Their DNA is from the Middle East

There is a lot more to it.

And.......Zoom!! Right over McKane's head.

[_Lemmie]

The heartland model has a convention every year where hundreds maybe thousands of people attend. They discuss they evidence the North American model and native traditions present.
They even pay money to go on tours to hopewell archeological sites.

Have you been to this convention, McKane?

[_Maksutov]

The hopewell civilzation dates to the right period of the Book of Mormon.
Their artifacts match Book of Mormon artifacts.

The location matches the Book of Mormon

Their DNA is from the Middle East

There is a lot more to it.

Burden is on you and there is an established process. You're trying the same sidestep as the gurus and the flatearthers and the demonically possessed and alien probed. Evidence. Not your links. Your research presented like every body else has to do. Spend less time on whining and repeating and more on producing a truly convincing case, ready for peer review. That's the path out of crackpot status. For everybody, not just you.

[_Philo Sofee]

How did kangaroos and platypus get all the way from Mt. Ararat to Australia in 2500 BC without leaving a migratory trace?

Come on they hitchhiked man. Isn't that obvious? Yes it's probably more difficult for the Platypus to stick out his thumb than it is a kangaroo, but don't let that fool you.

[_I have a question]

The heartland model has a convention every year where hundreds maybe thousands of people attend. They discuss they evidence the North American model and native traditions present.
They even pay money to go on tours to hopewell archeological sites.

Have you been to this convention, McKane?

Isn't the bigger question, why doesn't the Church sponsor the convention?