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[_Drifting]

Ldsfaqs, I would summarise your contribution to this thread as:

Oh no it isn't

Do you have anything more substantial or anything supported with references or quotes?

[_Franktalk]

Frank.
I tell you what - find me an official Church quote that supports your view that Prophets are nothing more than men most of the time.

Why would I do that when I have the more sure Word of God? Look up the Book of Daniel and you will see a number of visions that span a life that was around 80 years. I did not count them but there are around six or seven. Daniel spent most of his time administering the affairs of the Babylon empire and the Persian empire. And how is Daniel held in God's eye:

Dan 10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

And how do we know who wrote the book of Daniel?

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Christ supplied the witness to Daniel. So if Daniel who is loved by God is a man most of the time and takes on the duties of the world why would I expect Church leaders to be different? You see my expectations are set in scripture. I do not know where your expectations come from.

[_Drifting]

Frank.
I tell you what - find me an official Church quote that supports your view that Prophets are nothing more than men most of the time.

Why would I do that when I have the more sure Word of God? Look up the Book of Daniel and you will see a number of visions that span a life that was around 80 years. I did not count them but there are around six or seven. Daniel spent most of his time administering the affairs of the Babylon empire and the Persian empire. And how is Daniel held in God's eye:

Dan 10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

And how do we know who wrote the book of Daniel?

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Christ supplied the witness to Daniel. So if Daniel who is loved by God is a man most of the time and takes on the duties of the world why would I expect Church leaders to be different? You see my expectations are set in scripture. I do not know where your expectations come from.

Frank, I see.
You've made your own mind up that Prophets are mostly nothing more than men. Good for you. The Church Leadership does not agree with you.

[_Benjamin McGuire]

Drifting writes:

The Church Leadership does not agree with you.

Perhaps you could demonstrate this.

Ben M.

[_Drifting]

Make a list of times in which they received a message and the times that the Lord was silent. Make a time line. You may be shocked to find out that the prophets were men and nothing else most of the time.

Frank.
I tell you what - find me an official Church quote that supports your view that Prophets are nothing more than men most of the time.

Ben,

In response to your question.

[_Tobin]

Drifting,

It may not be the official position (not that even I care about that), but I know many Mormons that believe that the leaders of the Mormon church are "mostly" just men. I certainly do not view the leaders of the Mormon church as prophets either. I view them as merely caretakers of the Mormon church and no more inspired than any business man might be. IF one of these gentlemen is a prophet and speaking for God, God can let me know that. Otherwise, I'm of the view that they are merely expressing their opinion (correct or flawed as it may be). So, I don't find it too surprising to see Ben and others on this forum expressing that view.

[_Fence Sitter]

Drifting,

It may not be the official position (not that even I care about that), but I know many Mormons that believe that the leaders of the Mormon church are "mostly" just men. I certainly do not view the leaders of the Mormon church as prophets either. I view them as merely caretakers of the Mormon church and no more inspired than any business man might be. IF one of these gentlemen is a prophet and speaking for God, God can let me know that. Otherwise, I'm of the view that they are merely expressing their opinion (correct or flawed as it may be). So, I don't find it too surprising to see Ben and others on this forum expressing that view.

I think the point is that, while on this forum it may not be surprising, it would be were they to express these views from the pulpit.

Oh and welcome to the bored :)

[_Drifting]

Drifting,

It may not be the official position (not that even I care about that), but I know many Mormons that believe that the leaders of the Mormon church are "mostly" just men. I certainly do not view the leaders of the Mormon church as prophets either. I view them as merely caretakers of the Mormon church and no more inspired than any business man might be. IF one of these gentlemen is a prophet and speaking for God, God can let me know that. Otherwise, I'm of the view that they are merely expressing their opinion (correct or flawed as it may be). So, I don't find it too surprising to see Ben and others on this forum expressing that view.

Hi Tobin,

My point is that Ben and Franktalk are in error compared to the Church's position on this. Whilst the Church counsels people not to expect Prophets to be infallible they also say Prophets will not, cannot lead the Church astray and that you should follow the Prophet in all things.

[_Tobin]

My point is that Ben and Franktalk are in error compared to the Church's position on this. Whilst the Church counsels people not to expect Prophets to be infallible they also say Prophets will not, cannot lead the Church astray and that you should follow the Prophet in all things.

That may be one view, not that I believe it is any more valid than my view is. Here is another view, God is infallible and people should look to God instead. If someons is a prophet, then God can let us know that. After all, a prophet is merely a man or woman called of God and are usually dedicated to a purpose. Here are examples of my favorite two prophets of the modern era: MLK and Gandhi. Each were incredibly flawed people, but I have little doubt that what they were called to do was of God. Now, let's suppose a Mormon leader claims to be called of God, they should be akin to those men in both deed and action. To date, I can't think of any modern Mormon leader of that caliber.

[_Drifting]

My point is that Ben and Franktalk are in error compared to the Church's position on this. Whilst the Church counsels people not to expect Prophets to be infallible they also say Prophets will not, cannot lead the Church astray and that you should follow the Prophet in all things.

That may be one view, not that I believe it is any more valid than my view is. Here is another view, God is infallible and people should look to God instead. If someons is a prophet, then God can let us know that. After all, a prophet is merely a man or woman called of God and are usually dedicated to a purpose. Here are examples of my favorite two prophets of the modern era: MLK and Gandhi. Each were incredibly flawed people, but I have little doubt that what they were called to do was of God. Now, let's suppose a Mormon leader claims to be called of God, they should be akin to those men in both deed and action. To date, I can't think of any modern Mormon leader of that caliber.

It's interesting that God called MLK to fight against racism decades before he let Spencer W Kimball in on the secret that discrimination is bad.