The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

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Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

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Franktalk wrote:Sheryl,

What a difficult path to true understanding. When someone yearns to know we are eager to know so when some knowledge does come our way we run with it. Making all of the assumptions that come with eagerness. Then when we find that scripture is inconsistent we wonder why we are led this way. Many stop here but the few that reset them self and throw off their own words and understanding and start over can continue on the path. You know you are doing well when the love of God comes through in all messages. If one sees God as vengeful or arbitrary then they are off the path. Scripture gives us sign posts that we can use. Like a buoy on the way to the harbor. But each buoy has the same sign. They say God loves you, please love each other. But we read each sign with better understanding and each sign appears new. The depth increases. The absolute truth of it gets written on our hearts and mind. Those who love freely have an easier time on this path. Those who are easy to anger have a much more difficult time. I am quick to judge and condemn so I must clear myself of that before I can start again. But God's mercy is endless and even a wretched person like me can make progress. But you must at times let everything go. This is impossible for some. They see the words but have no clue what that means. But as we age there comes a time when we do start to seek and let another guide us. In this we are all Peter.

Joh 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.

And just as Peter is a type for the church he is also a type for us all. I am sure this is why Jesus picked him. Peter truly loved God but he loved himself more when he was young. What we all must realize in time is that we love our self best when we are like Christ and do the will of the Father. When we are not like Christ then the love of self is a roadblock but as one becomes more like Christ the love of self is the love of Christ in this there is a sense of being one. This is the oneness spoken in scripture that we can experience in the flesh.

Dear friend may your love of all God's children never diminish.

Frank


Shalom dear friend!

Yes, signposts and buoys along the way are much needed!

I do have to share though that there comes a point in our journey where the path we thought we were on is pulled out from underneath us and those signposts and buoys can no longer be found.

Consider a toddler learning how to stand, walk and run. He or she has to learn to keep their balance, to work with gravity instead of gravity working against them. Likewise, we have to learn to keep our spiritual balance, our purity in the darkness of this world. To walk through darkness without losing our center or our focus on God.

The signposts and buoys then are within us. This transition from external help to internal help is a very difficult one. It is called a dark night of the soul, because we have to learn to walk completely contrary to how we walked before.

I will write the law on their hearts...

It takes a lot of faith to trust and walk by the law written on our hearts!

Peter is a marvelous example - a great character whose journey can teach us so much.

It is Christ that girded him and took him where he would not go himself. But remember, Jesus told us that his yoke is easy and his journey light! ;)


Peace be within you.

Sheryl
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gdemetz wrote:OK Tobin, I will explain it much more carefully to you. First of all, it was a manifestation of the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST which was given on the day of Pentecost to the apostles which I mentioned earlier. This gift of the Holy Ghost which was given also by the laying on of hands by the apostles was also not given until after they received it on the day of Pentecost. When the gift of the Holy Ghost is given, that entitles one to always have the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost as long as they are worthy. This is the main reason that the apostles were so much more "spiritual" after they received this gift. However, a manifestation from the Holy Ghost can be had without the gift of the Holy Ghost. Christ stated that one could receive a manifestation by asking in prayer (see Luke 11:13)! The scriptures also state that no one can say that Jesus is the Christ, but by the Holy Ghost (see 1 Corinthians 12:3), and this is how Peter was able to testify with certainty that Jesus was the Christ (see Matthew 16:15-17)! Also, the LDS Bible Dictionary states the following under the topic of the Holy Ghost:
Congratulations. You finally figured out what one of the Gifts of the Spirit is. However, you again have completely ignored the context of the example when comparing it to yourself. In Luke 24, Christ appears and explains the scriptures to them and they remarked later how they shared one of the Gifts of the Spirit and should have recognized it was Christ. You completely pervert this and turn it on its head by twisting the very meaning of this scripture in Luke 24:32. You claim that instead of God appearing to you and explaining the truth; you just read some obscure passage, imagined some interpretation for it, and then had a warm feeling about your interpretation and determined this must be a truth from God!!! That is completely absurd.

Also, I find your view of 1 Cor 12:3 interesting. When demons admit Jesus is the Christ, do they do it through the Holy Ghost?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Are you trying to say that they were never taught by the Spirit that it was Christ? Are you also saying that I didn't have a similar experience?
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Remember, demos have never lost their memory in the first place! Maybe you can think of some more scriptures to try and twist their meanings also?
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gdemetz wrote:Are you trying to say that they were never taught by the Spirit that it was Christ? Are you also saying that I didn't have a similar experience?
I'm trying to explain to you that feelings are insufficient for recognizing the truth and should not be trusted by themselves. Even in Luke 24 when Christ was there and they felt the spirit, they didn't realize the truth that it was Jesus until AFTER Christ disappeared and they reflected on it. That is the reason I do not accept your interpretations are from God, because it has no basis in how God does things.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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gdemetz wrote:Remember, demos have never lost their memory in the first place! Maybe you can think of some more scriptures to try and twist their meanings also?
I asked you a question. I didn't twist anything and I don't see anything in 1 Cor 12:3 about people losing their memories and only then it is the Holy Ghost.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Tobin, you like to use the scriptures when one of them seems to suit your purpose, and I think that is rather hypocritical. Are you trying to say that the scripture is wrong, or that demons have the Spirit, or do you just like to argue? I explained what they meant to you and even used the LDS dictionary to show you what the scriptures meant, but I think that I am just wasting a lot of time with you. I have had the gift of the Holy Ghost, but I get the feeling that you never have had the experience of enjoying that gift.
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gdemetz wrote:Tobin, you like to use the scriptures when one of them seems to suit your purpose, and I think that is rather hypocritical. Are you trying to say that the scripture is wrong, or that demons have the Spirit, or do you just like to argue? I explained what they meant to you and even used the LDS dictionary to show you what the scriptures meant, but I think that I am just wasting a lot of time with you. I have had the gift of the Holy Ghost, but I get the feeling that you never have had the experience of enjoying that gift.
You are free to believe anything you want. Basically, you believe that you have the Holy Ghost so that makes whatever nonsense you spout in these forums correct (and from the mouth of God). I assure you it does not. You can arrogantly post on these forums your version of the truth and pretend that you know it all because you have the Holy Ghost. That is also completely absurd. But, please continue spouting nonsense on here and refuse to learn anything from anyone because you believe you are basically God (or on your way to being God). You really are a great example of a TBM.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Yea, and I believe Mormon Doctrine, but I am disappointed because there are not many on this site that seem to, or if they do, they don't seem to understand it very well.
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gdemetz wrote:Yea, and I believe Mormon Doctrine, but I am disappointed because there are not many on this site that seem to, or if they do, they don't seem to understand it very well.



Unfortunately 'Mormon Doctrine' isn't Mormon Doctrine and now ranks as the uninspired, incorrect ramblings of a semi-apostate. At least according to the believing Mormon's who post here and seemingly supported by the Church's official position on what members should class as 'official'.
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