The Bottom Line

[_jo1952]

Animals do not possess a spirit.

CFR please. Thank you!

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

Why should he? We seem to agree. Withouth the ability to choose between good and evil, there can be no choices, no justice, no law, and so on. It's an absurd position to take.

We do have the ability to decide what is good or bad, and can certainly choose which one to follow. I would say everyone will do things they agree are bad at least some of the time.

For some people, flying planes into the World Trade Centres was a good thing, for others it was a bad thing. Both groups believe God agrees with them.

[_Drifting]

totally disagree...i am not so sure that one can assume that God determined the Law, it may be more appropriate to consider that the Law determined God...in other words, God does not decide what is good or evil.

God established the LAW for us. The LAW dosn't exist without God.

Which Law?

The Law of the Land - in which case whose land?
The Law of the Bible - in which case whose interpretation?

[_PrickKicker]

For some people, flying planes into the World Trade Centres was a good thing, for others it was a bad thing. Both groups believe God agrees with them.

Then there's the TRUTH. Science and reason. Steven E Jones, BYU professor lost his job for teaching physics that proved 911 was an inside job.

[Guest]

You might like to note that what you attribute to me was my paraphrasing Tobin - take it up with him!

Near the bottom of page 9:

Now, as far as recognizing whether that experience is from God or the Devil - well, that is a matter of recognizing good and evil. We are fully capable of determining the difference between the two. It is essential to our ability to choose between good and evil to have that ability to do so. Otherwise, we are simply unable to choose and there is no free will. And that is why I'm saying the position that we cannot determine the difference is absolutely absurd.

Why should he? We seem to agree. Withouth the ability to choose between good and evil, there can be no choices, no justice, no law, and so on. It's an absurd position to take.

Because of the word "unequivocally". And because he was disagreeing with you, not me.

In other words do you think that (to take an example from Drifting) it is a good thing for people to fly planes into buildings because they believe that their god has told them to do it?

If not, then it is possible for people to be mistaken about good and evil. Are there not cases in the scriptures in which people have been deceived into doing evil while thinking that they were doing good?

Are you (and subgenius) claiming that you are immune from such an error? And this is why you insist that you cannot possibly be mistaken about the identity of the being who visited you, the one you have labeled "God"?

[_malkie]

God decides what is good and what is evil. And only God is good. One either agrees with God or imagines he knows what is good --- and satan agrees with what man imagines is good...

Whose God?

Who's God?

spelling -1 (see me after class)

You do know, don't you, that "Whose God?" and "Who's God?" are both legitimate "spelling", don't you? and that they ask different questions?

[_Drifting]

Whose God?

Who's God?

spelling -1 (see me after class)

You do know, don't you, that "Whose God?" and "Who's God?" are both legitimate "spelling", don't you? and that they ask different questions?

In fairness subgenius is correct that, in context of what I was saying, the correct spelling is 'whose'. I have gone back and changed my original post.

True to form though, subby ran away from answering the question!

[_malkie]

You do know, don't you, that "Whose God?" and "Who's God?" are both legitimate "spelling", don't you? and that they ask different questions?

In fairness subgenius is correct that, in context of what I was saying, the correct spelling is 'whose'. I have gone back and changed my original post.

True to form though, subby ran away from answering the question!

Sorry, subby, I didn't see Drifting's post before he corrected it.

[_malkie]

We have no indication that there were any babies or children around when the Flood started. Noah had no grandchildren. There is only an assumption of babies for those who are trying to cast a shadow on God's judgment. God's perfect timing may very well have been when only adults were around. So, there you are standing outside of the Ark and the rains begin... What would you say then?

So, you suppose that all reproduction for all animal life ceased for 3-4 years prior to the Great Deluge? Where do you get that from the Bible?

by the way, I think killing all adults casts a pretty big shadow, too. I try not to be an ageist when it comes to who is being murdered.

Thanks - us old guys really appreciate you for that.

[_subgenius]

Then there's the TRUTH. Science and reason.

CFR, please.
( to be clear, please provide evidence and/or proof that science and reason are the TRUTH)