Let's Talk Rainbows

[_Buffalo]

The link works, I incompletely C&Pd it, leaving off the final "f" in pdf.

http://LDS.org/gospellibrary/materials/ ... ne_000.pdf


You lose. :)

nice try, but once again we see more evidence of you being you.
reference your original post, not your revision once you were exposed.
let us look, shall we?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21441&start=42

4990 BCE would be nearly a millennium before the earth even existed, SubG. This is the official timeline from the Church:

(emphasis mine)
image is from lds-timeline.com, and is clearly the subject of "This is".
game over...move on

Also take note of Subgenius' dishonesty here. The LDS PDF was in the orginal post, which he omits here for his polemical purposes.

4990 BCE would be nearly a millennium before the earth even existed, SubG. This is the official timeline from the Church:



http://LDS.org/gospellibrary/materials/ ... ne_000.pdf

[_bcuzbcuz]

...There is NO BATH TUB RING around any of the pyramids or sphinx. Nothing to indicate in any way that they were buried under water.

lack of evidence does not exclude existence....correct?
;)

True, I wasn't alive at the time of Noah, but the pyramid builders were. How come they didn't notice the flood?

who says they did not?

Thank you for your clarification about architectural terminology.

My comment about no bath tub ring around the pyramids is far more significant than merely defining it as a "lack of evidence". Of the more than 130 pyramids in Egypt the earliest are at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. These were built around 2630 BCE-2611 BCE. Imhotep is generally accredited to building them for his pharaoh.

Pyramid / Pharaoh Reign Dynasty Field
Djoser c. 2630–2612 BC 4th Saqqara
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Dashur
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Dashur
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Meidum
Khufu c. 2589–2566 BC 4th Giza
Djedefre c. 2566–2558 BC 4th Abu Rawash
Khafre c. 2558–2532 BC 4th Giza
Menkaure c. 2532–2504 BC 4th Giza
Sahure c. 2487–2477 BC 5th Abu Sir
Neferirkare Kakai c. 2477–2467 BC 5th Abu Sir
Nyuserre Ini c. 2416–2392 BC 5th Abu Sir
Teti c. 2345-2333 BC 6th Saqqara
Pepi I c. 2332-2283 BC 6th Saqqara
Merenre c. 2283-2278 BC 6th Saqqara
Pepi II c. 2278-2184 BC 6th Saqqara
Qakare Ibi c. 2181------BC 8th Saqqara
Amenemhat I c. 1991–1962 BC 12th Lisht
Senusret I c. 1971–1926 BC 12th Lisht
Senusret II c. 1897–1878 BC 12th el-Lahun
Amenemhat III c. 1860–1814 BC 12th Hawara
Piye c. 721 BC El-Kurru
Taharqa c. 664 BC Nuri

The LDS timeline puts the flood right around Nyuserre and Teti. There were two other pyramid building pharaohs between them and their pyramids still stand although not glorious in size or repair. You can check the LDS timelines given below.
https://si.LDS.org/bc/seminary/content/ ... rk_eng.pdf
https://si.LDS.org/bc/seminary/content/ ... rk_eng.pdf

Lack of evidence does not exclude existence but if the flood occurred during the period stated, then the Egyptian were building pyramids the day before the flood and after everybody was wiped out, they went right back to building them. And they wrote nowhere about a break in their work due to a flood. You would think they would have noticed the labour shortage, the lack of crops, no food, no beer.

And how quickly did Noah's offspring get back to filling the world with babies so 25000 of them could build pyramids?

[_Drifting]

My comment about no bath tub ring around the pyramids is far more significant than merely defining it as a "lack of evidence". Of the more than 130 pyramids in Egypt the earliest are at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. These were built around 2630 BCE-2611 BCE. Imhotep is generally accredited to building them for his pharaoh.

Pyramid / Pharaoh Reign Dynasty Field
Djoser c. 2630–2612 BC 4th Saqqara
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Dashur
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Dashur
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Meidum
Khufu c. 2589–2566 BC 4th Giza
Djedefre c. 2566–2558 BC 4th Abu Rawash
Khafre c. 2558–2532 BC 4th Giza
Menkaure c. 2532–2504 BC 4th Giza
Sahure c. 2487–2477 BC 5th Abu Sir
Neferirkare Kakai c. 2477–2467 BC 5th Abu Sir
Nyuserre Ini c. 2416–2392 BC 5th Abu Sir
Teti c. 2345-2333 BC 6th Saqqara
Pepi I c. 2332-2283 BC 6th Saqqara
Merenre c. 2283-2278 BC 6th Saqqara
Pepi II c. 2278-2184 BC 6th Saqqara
Qakare Ibi c. 2181------BC 8th Saqqara
Amenemhat I c. 1991–1962 BC 12th Lisht
Senusret I c. 1971–1926 BC 12th Lisht
Senusret II c. 1897–1878 BC 12th el-Lahun
Amenemhat III c. 1860–1814 BC 12th Hawara
Piye c. 721 BC El-Kurru
Taharqa c. 664 BC Nuri

The LDS timeline puts the flood right around Nyuserre and Teti. There were two other pyramid building pharaohs between them and their pyramids still stand although not glorious in size or repair. You can check the LDS timelines given below.
https://si.LDS.org/bc/seminary/content/ ... rk_eng.pdf
https://si.LDS.org/bc/seminary/content/ ... rk_eng.pdf

Lack of evidence does not exclude existence but if the flood occurred during the period stated, then the Egyptian were building pyramids the day before the flood and after everybody was wiped out, they went right back to building them. And they wrote nowhere about a break in their work due to a flood. You would think they would have noticed the labour shortage, the lack of crops, no food, no beer.

And how quickly did Noah's offspring get back to filling the world with babies so 25000 of them could build pyramids?

At the very least this shows two things:
1. The LDS timeline, one that they teach every seminary student is wrong.
2. The claim, by Apostle Holland, that the continents were rent to allow the flood waters to recede, is completely wrong (this is the second time he has misled the members).

[_bcuzbcuz]

Damn, my pretty little graphic was supposed to look good, with clearly defined reigns and dates. I copied from Openoffice. Don't tell me there is a microsoft prejudice on this site!!!!!

Pyramid / Pharaoh Reign Dynasty Field Site
Djoser c. 2630–2612 BC 4th Saqqara
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Dashur
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Dashur
Sneferu c. 2612–2589 BC 4th Meidum
Khufu c. 2589–2566 BC 4th Giza
Djedefre c. 2566–2558 BC 4th Abu Rawash
Khafre c. 2558–2532 BC 4th Giza
Menkaure c. 2532–2504 BC 4th Giza
Sahure c. 2487–2477 BC 5th Abu Sir
Neferirkare Kakai c. 2477–2467 BC 5th Abu Sir
Nyuserre Ini c. 2416–2392 BC 5th Abu Sir
Teti c. 2345-2333 BC 6th Saqqara
Pepi I c. 2332-2283 BC 6th Saqqara
Merenre c. 2283-2278 BC 6th Saqqara
Pepi II c. 2278-2184 BC 6th Saqqara
Qakare Ibi c. 21 81------BC 8th Saqqara
Amenemhat I c. 1991–1962 BC 12th Lisht
Senusret I c. 1971–1926 BC 12th Lisht
Senusret II c. 1897–1878 BC 12th el-Lahun
Amenemhat III c. 1860–1814 BC 12th Hawara
Piye c. 721 BC El-Kurru
Taharqa c. 664 BC Nuri

Of course, there are even more dates to fill in here. After all, long before the Egyptians started burying at the Valley of the Kings, they managed more than 130 pyramids. And, once again, with hundreds of thousands of people that would have been drowned in the great flood, Why no bathtub ring?

[_ludwigm]

[_Quasimodo]

And, once again, with hundreds of thousands of people that would have been drowned in the great flood, Why no bathtub ring?

Scrubbing bubbles?

[_drdrfor]

And, once again, with hundreds of thousands of people that would have been drowned in the great flood, Why no bathtub ring?

Scrubbing bubbles?

You're right, of course. There is no conflicting evidence that shows that God didn't throw in some scrubbing bubbles to the rain of 40 days and 40 nights. Being God he would have known exactly how much of the detergent he needed to remove any bathtub ring AND leave no evidence that he had done so. Damn, he's good.

[_bcuzbcuz]

Being relatively new here I didn't know that OP referred to me as the Original Poster. So using that interpretation of OP I will respond.

Where? (No it doesn't!)

right here - I find it hard to believe that the physical properties of light dispersion were voided for the 1500+ years between Adam and Noah

if i am incorrect that this statement does not imply a universal and/or eternal aspect for "light dispersion" then what does it state? Does this OP concede that the physical properties of light dispersion are inconsistent?
exactly what is "obvious" ?

Is it "obvious" that a rainbow must have been created at any point that light and water mist were present together before the flood? exactly why is that obvious? because your magic crystals told you so? because the "math" surely proves it? because you have a burning in your bosom?

Best you open your Bible and follow along in your text. I don't want to go to fast and lose you while I'm at. It doesn't matter which translation you pick up. I can quote from KJV or NIV or any other you wish.

Noah isn't mentioned until Genesis 5 and that's at the very end of that chapter, verse 29. But chapter 5 covers all the way from Adam's son Seth right up to Noah and his three sons (born to him at the age of up to and including 500.....that's being father at FIVE HUNDRED YEARS OLD). Impressive. (Genesis 5 and 11) http://achievebalance.com/data/timeline/

In chapter 5, Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born, then a total of 926 years passes before Noah is born. Is it wrong for me to assume that these years are Actual Years and not stretched or foreshortened years or fictional accounts with exaggerated numbers?

Covering 926 years (+500) in 32 short verses doesn't leave much room for full accounts of everything that happened. In fact, the Bible in Genesis 5 only covers the basics of who begat whom and how long they lived. We aren't given information on how many animals, plants, bugs, birds, human populations existed. You must admit that a history of 1400 years that is contained in a few pages (depending on which translation is used....the Hebrew Torah is even shorter) doesn't leave us with much to go on. (Sorry, I just used the expression "you must admit" but considering my audience that will probably come back to bite me since you "admit nothing")

After the flood in chapter 9 we get several verses that talk about Noah getting drunk and lying naked in his tent (was Noah a Mormon?) and this is more information than anything else supplied about the 1400 years between Seth and Shem.

My conclusion from this is that anyone's ability to deduce what was or wasn't during these years must be nothing more than conjecture.

Which brings me to your plucked quote from my original post: I find it hard to believe that the physical properties of light dispersion were voided for the 1500+ years between Adam and Noah. Aren't you the originator of the "absence of evidence" statement? Show me from scripture where you feel that natural light spectrums did not exist. Because I can show you, in scripture, according to your own "absence of evidence" statement, where light spectrums are NOT mentioned.

In fact, clouds are first mentioned in chapter 9. Rain is mentioned first in Chapter 7. And you presume therefore that neither clouds nor rain existed prior to that time?

Subgenius states: "if i am incorrect that this statement does not imply a universal and/or eternal aspect for "light dispersion" then what does it state? Does this OP concede that the physical properties of light dispersion are inconsistent?
exactly what is "obvious" ?"

What exactly do you mean by "physical properties of light dispersion are inconsistent?"

[_SteelHead]

It must have rained pre flood according to LDS scripture:

Moses 7
28 And it came to pass that the God of heaven looked upon the aresidue of the people, and he wept; and Enoch bore record of it, saying: How is it that the heavens weep, and shed forth their tears as the rain upon the mountains?

So the whole idea that a mist of water came up out of the ground and watered the Earth till the flood is not consistent with the LDS canon. Or is it just another inexplicable anachronism that Enoch used the word "rain"?

[_bcuzbcuz]

It must have rained pre flood according to LDS scripture:

Moses 7
28 And it came to pass that the God of heaven looked upon the aresidue of the people, and he wept; and Enoch bore record of it, saying: How is it that the heavens weep, and shed forth their tears as the rain upon the mountains?

So the whole idea that a mist of water came up out of the ground and watered the Earth till the flood is not consistent with the LDS canon. Or is it just another inexplicable anachronism that Enoch used the word "rain"?

I appreciate that one. I had forgotten to reference to pgp. Any comment, Subgenius or Franktalk or any lurkers?