My Column in the "Mormon Times"

[_RayAgostini]

I'm confused, Ray. Where does DeLong say that they're related? He's giving an overview of 20th Century "Alternatives to Capitalism and Democracy."

From the article:

Fascists were tamer versions of Nazis. Most fascists' economic doctrine was largely negative: they were not socialists, and they did not believe that the Marxist platform of the nationalization of industry and the expropriation of the capitalist class was the right way to run an economy. But they did not buy into the "national living space", "lebensraum" doctrines of Hitler. They were less anti-semitic. They tended to do their killing on a retail rather than a wholesale scale.

But fascists were identifiably of the same ideological genus as Nazis. They recognized each other

[_Morley]

I'm confused, Ray. Where does DeLong say that they're related? He's giving an overview of 20th Century "Alternatives to Capitalism and Democracy."

From the article:

Fascists were tamer versions of Nazis. Most fascists' economic doctrine was largely negative: they were not socialists, and they did not believe that the Marxist platform of the nationalization of industry and the expropriation of the capitalist class was the right way to run an economy. But they did not buy into the "national living space", "lebensraum" doctrines of Hitler. They were less anti-semitic. They tended to do their killing on a retail rather than a wholesale scale.

But fascists were identifiably of the same ideological genus as Nazis. They recognized each other

And the relationship of Marxists to Nazis is...?

[_RayAgostini]

And the relationship of Marxists to Nazis is...?

Obvious.

[_Morley]

Nazism had no relationship to Marxism. Certainly, this must be an unintended error.

Or maybe yours was an "unintended [but false] perception".

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/tceh/s ... ves12.html

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This is certainly not the last (or first) authority, but it is really late, right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Relation with fascism

Nazism is a politically syncretic variety of fascism, which incorporates policies, tactics and philosophic tenets from left and right-wing politics. Italian fascism and German Nazism reject liberalism, democracy and Marxism.[79]

[_Morley]

And the relationship of Marxists to Nazis is...?

Obvious.

Explain please.

[_RayAgostini]

This is certainly not the last (or first) authority, but it is really late, right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Let me put it to you in plain terms. BOTH are dictatorial ideologies based on force. How many people did Hitler kill? How many people did Stalin kill? BOTH are fascist ideologies, even if communism goes under the umbrella of "equality". Was there "equality" is communist Russia. LOL. Ever heard of the KGB? The Gulag? Ever heard of Alexander Solzhenitsyn?

Read, and weep: A World Split Apart.

To the dull of hearing: Communism is also fascism!

[_Morley]

This is certainly not the last (or first) authority, but it is really late, right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Let me put it to you in plain terms. BOTH are dictatorial ideologies based on force. How many people did Hitler kill? How many people did Stalin kill? BOTH are fascist ideologies, even if communism goes under the umbrella of "equality". Was there "equality" is communist Russia. LOL. Ever heard of the KGB? The Gulag? Ever heard of Alexander Solzhenitsyn?

Read, and weep: A World Split Apart.

To the dull of hearing: Communism is also fascism!

Communism can be a type of fascism without Marxism being the genesis of Nazism.

[_RayAgostini]

Communism can be a type of fascism without Marxism being the genesis of Nazism.

Communism is not a "type" of fascism, it is, and always has been, full blown fascism. You conform, or you will be eradicated, and Stalin eradicated millions. By one account he's ranked as the second mass murderer in history. Communism is, and has been, a total failure, a fascist ideology very much in line with Nazism. To say that they are "related", may even be an understatement. They are literal blood brothers, and suppressors of human freedom and choice, and fascists to the very core.

[_Morley]

Communism can be a type of fascism without Marxism being the genesis of Nazism.

Communism is not a "type" of fascism, it is, and always has been, full blown fascism. You conform, or you will be eradicated, and Stalin eradicated millions. By one account he's ranked as the second mass murderer in history. Communism is, and has been, a total failure, a fascist ideology very much in line with Nazism. To say that they are "related", may even be an understatement. They are literal blood brothers, and suppressors of human freedom and choice, and fascists to the very core.

I know that Alexander Solzhenitsyn famously terms Communism as fascism. That certainly isn't the classical definition.

"...the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come. -- George Orwell (http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc)

And whether Communists are defined as fascist or not, isn't my argument. It doesn't make Marxism into Nazism.

[_Buffalo]

And the relationship of Marxists to Nazis is...?

Obvious.

Quite obvious. They were bitter enemies