Bible verse by verse

[_Drifting]

Come on Nipper, you claimed some parts were literal and some metaphorical. I want to know if you believe the story, where God commands the army of Moses to destroy those women captured who had been with a man and all the male children etc, is to be taken literally or metaphorically?

I've already gave you my answer above. You must have missed it...

You are quite correct, I did miss it. Sorry.
If God requires you to murder an enemies non virginal women and male children then I want no part in His plan.

Would you do it Nipper if God required it?

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 21:1-34 So Sarah has a baby when Abraham is 100 years old. The baby is named Isaac (meaning laughter or he will laugh). As God stated Isaac is circumcised on the 8th day (the best time for new borns). Abraham throws a party when Isaac is weaned. And Sarah sees Ismael (now a young teenager)taunting little Isaac and wants Hagar and Ishmael sent away. Abraham is very upset but God tells him that it is okay to listen to Sarah's wishes. Hagar is given food and water and sent away and she & Ishmael wander in Beer-Sheba.

The provisions run out and the lad is dying. Hagar places Ishmael in a shady place and goes off to cry. The Lord show Hagar where there is a well and again tells Hagar that Ismael will be the father of great nation. Ishmael grows to live in the wilderness of Paran, becomes a great archer, and marries an Egyptian like his mom.

Meanwhile, Abraham & Abimelech have some well water rights problems. Abimelech & his leader Phichol say they were not aware that there were promlems concerning the use of a well (even though the men involved in the fight over the water were sevants of Abimelech. Abraham makes a treaty with Abimelech in Beer-Sheba giving Oxen and sheep. Abraham sets 7 little lambs aside and is asked by Abimelech the meaning. Abraham says they symbolize a witness to the fact that Abraham's men dug the well. Abraham moves onto the land of the Philistines to stay many days after planting a pine tree at Beer-Sheba and preaching in the name of God.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jehovah hath looked after Sarah as He hath said, and Jehovah doth to Sarah as He hath spoken;

2 and Sarah conceiveth, and beareth a son to Abraham, to his old age, at the appointed time that God hath spoken of with him;

3 and Abraham calleth the name of his son who is born to him, whom Sarah hath born to him -- Isaac;

4 and Abraham circumciseth Isaac his son, [being] a son of eight days, as God hath commanded him.

5 And Abraham [is] a son of a hundred years in Isaac his son being born to him,

6 and Sarah saith, `God hath made laughter for me; every one who is hearing laugheth for me.'

7 She saith also, `Who hath said to Abraham, Sarah hath suckled sons, that I have born a son for his old age?'

8 And the lad groweth, and is weaned, and Abraham maketh a great banquet in the day of Isaac's being weaned;

9 and Sarah seeth the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she hath borne to Abraham, mocking,

10 and she saith to Abraham, `Cast out this handmaid and her son; for the son of this handmaid hath no possession with my son -- with Isaac.'

11 And the thing is very wrong in the eyes of Abraham, for his son's sake;

12 and God saith unto Abraham, `Let it not be wrong in thine eyes because of the youth, and because of thy handmaid: all that Sarah saith unto thee -- hearken to her voice, for in Isaac is a seed called to thee.

13 As to the son of the handmaid also, for a nation I set him, because he [is] thy seed.'

14 And Abraham riseth early in the morning, and taketh bread, and a bottle of water, and giveth unto Hagar (placing [it] on her shoulder), also the lad, and sendeth her out; and she goeth on, and goeth astray in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba;

15 and the water is consumed from the bottle, and she placeth the lad under one of the shrubs.

16 And she goeth and sitteth by herself over-against, afar off, about a bow-shot, for she said, `Let me not look on the death of the lad;' and she sitteth over-against, and lifteth up her voice, and weepeth.

17 And God heareth the voice of the youth; and the messenger of God calleth unto Hagar from the heavens, and saith to her, `What to thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath hearkened unto the voice of the youth where he [is];

18 rise, lift up the youth, and lay hold on him with thy hand, for for a great nation I set him.'

19 And God openeth her eyes, and she seeth a well of water, and she goeth and filleth the bottle [with] water, and causeth the youth to drink;

20 and God is with the youth, and he groweth, and dwelleth in the wilderness, and is an archer;

21 and he dwelleth in the wilderness of Paran, and his mother taketh for him a wife from the land of Egypt.

22 And it cometh to pass at that time that Abimelech speaketh -- Phichol also, head of his host -- unto Abraham, saying, `God [is] with thee in all that thou art doing;

23 and now, swear to me by God here: thou dost not lie to me, or to my continuator, or to my successor; according to the kindness which I have done with thee thou dost with me, and with the land in which thou hast sojourned.'

24 And Abraham saith, `I -- I do swear.'

25 And Abraham reasoned with Abimelech concerning the matter of a well of water which Abimelech's servants have taken violently away,

26 and Abimelech saith, `I have not known who hath done this thing, and even thou didst not declare to me, and I also, I have not heard save to-day.'

27 And Abraham taketh sheep and oxen, and giveth to Abimelech, and they make, both of them, a covenant;

28 and Abraham setteth seven Lambs of the flock by themselves.

29 And Abimelech saith unto Abraham, `What [are] they -- these seven lambs which thou hast set by themselves?'

30 And he saith, `For -- the seven lambs thou dost accept from my hand, so that it becometh a witness for me that I have digged this well;'

31 therefore hath he called that place `Beer-Sheba,' for there have both of them sworn.

32 And they make a covenant in Beer-Sheba, and Abimelech riseth -- Phichol also, head of his host -- and they turn back unto the land of the Philistines;

33 and [Abraham] planteth a tamarask in Beer-Sheba, and preacheth there in the name of Jehovah, God age-during;

34 and Abraham sojourneth in the land of the Philistines many days.

[_gdemetz]

He he! Anyhyow, Drifting, the answer is both.

[_LittleNipper]

Come on Nipper, you claimed some parts were literal and some metaphorical. I want to know if you believe the story, where God commands the army of Moses to destroy those women captured who had been with a man and all the male children etc, is to be taken literally or metaphorically?

I've already gave you my answer above. You must have missed it...

You are quite correct, I did miss it. Sorry.
If God requires you to murder an enemies non virginal women and male children then I want no part in His plan.

Would you do it Nipper if God required it?

We presently live in the age of grace. However, if I had the job of pulling the switch at the state penn., I would do it ; however, I would witness to that individual all the way to the chair...

[_Drifting]

We presently live in the age of grace. However, if I had the job of pulling the switch at the state penn., I would do it ; however, I would witness to that individual all the way to the chair...

You are answering a question I didn't ask.
I asked...

"If God requires you to murder an enemies non virginal women and male children then I want no part in His plan.

Would you do it Nipper if God required it?"

[_LittleNipper]

We presently live in the age of grace. However, if I had the job of pulling the switch at the state penn., I would do it ; however, I would witness to that individual all the way to the chair...

You are answering a question I didn't ask.
I asked...

"If God requires you to murder an enemies non virginal women and male children then I want no part in His plan.

Would you do it Nipper if God required it?"

If, If, If ------------------ If God only requires you to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and place your faith only in Him for your salvation would you do it?

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 22:1-24 God tells Abraham to take his son Isaac to mount Moriah and to sacrafice him there. Abraham willingly takes his son there and Isaac willingly goes. Isaac asks where is the lamb for the burnt offering? Abraham says that God will provide a lamb. Isaac allows himself to be tied and placed on the alter. Abraham is prepared to kill his son. NOTE: Abraham trusted God fully, and it is possible that Abraham thought that God would do a miracle and raise Isaac from the dead. In any case, God stays Abrahams hand and does provide a lamb to replace Isaac. And Abraham returned to Beer-Sheba to dwell... Milcah gives birth to sons to Abraham's brother Nahor: Huz the first-born, and Buz his brother; and Kemuel father of Aram, and Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel to whom Rebekah is born; these eight Milcah borne to Nahor, Abraham's brother;


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass after these things that God hath tried Abraham, and saith unto him, `Abraham;' and he saith, `Here [am] I.'

2 And He saith, `Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one, whom thou hast loved, even Isaac, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, and cause him to ascend there for a burnt-offering on one of the mountains of which I speak unto thee.'

3 And Abraham riseth early in the morning, and saddleth his ass, and taketh two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and he cleaveth the wood of the burnt-offering, and riseth and goeth unto the place of which God hath spoken to him.

4 On the third day -- Abraham lifteth up his eyes, and seeth the place from afar;

5 and Abraham saith unto his young men, `Remain by yourselves here with the ass, and I and the youth go yonder and worship, and turn back unto you.'

6 And Abraham taketh the wood of the burnt-offering, and placeth on Isaac his son, and he taketh in his hand the fire, and the knife; and they go on both of them together.

7 And Isaac speaketh unto Abraham his father, and saith, `My father,' and he saith, `Here [am] I, my son.' And he saith, `Lo, the fire and the wood, and where the lamb for a burnt-offering?'

8 and Abraham saith, `God doth provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son;' and they go on both of them together.

9 And they come in unto the place of which God hath spoken to him, and there Abraham buildeth the altar, and arrangeth the wood, and bindeth Isaac his son, and placeth him upon the altar above the wood;

10 and Abraham putteth forth his hand, and taketh the knife -- to slaughter his son.

11 And the messenger of Jehovah calleth unto him from the heavens, and saith, `Abraham, Abraham;' and he saith, `Here [am] I;'

12 and He saith, `Put not forth thine hand unto the youth, nor do anything to him, for now I have known that thou art fearing God, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only one, from Me.'

13 And Abraham lifteth up his eyes, and looketh, and lo, a ram behind, seized in a thicket by its horns; and Abraham goeth, and taketh the ram, and causeth it to ascend for a burnt-offering instead of his son;

14 and Abraham calleth the name of that place `Jehovah-Jireh,' because it is said this day in the mount, `Jehovah doth provide.'

15 And the messenger of Jehovah calleth unto Abraham a second time from the heavens,

16 and saith, `By Myself I have sworn -- the affirmation of Jehovah -- that because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only one --

17 that blessing I bless thee, and multiplying I multiply thy seed as stars of the heavens, and as sand which [is] on the sea-shore; and thy seed doth possess the gate of his enemies;

18 and blessed themselves in thy seed have all nations of the earth, because that thou hast hearkened to My voice.'

19 And Abraham turneth back unto his young men, and they rise and go together unto Beer-Sheba; and Abraham dwelleth in Beer-Sheba.

20 And it cometh to pass after these things that it is declared to Abraham, saying, `Lo, Milcah hath borne, even she, sons to Nahor thy brother:

21 Huz his first-born, and Buz his brother; and Kemuel father of Aram,

22 and Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel;

23 and Bethuel hath begotten Rebekah;' these eight hath Milcah borne to Nahor, Abraham's brother;

24 and his concubine, whose name [is] Reumah, she also hath borne Tebah, and Gaham, and Tahash, and Maachah.

[_gdemetz]

The Lord has specifically stated that if one will enter into life, then he must keep the commandments, and James has stated that faith without works is dead! He also illustrates this useless faith by comparing it to someone who is hungry and you tell them to be warmed and filled (or just make a ridiculous profession of faith)!!!

[_Albion]

gdemetz...against you appear to willfully misrepresent Christian teaching. Let me repeat it yet again: CHRISTIANS AGREE THAT FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD! Did you get that? CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT SAVING FAITH IS DEMONSTRATED BY WORKS OF THE SPIRIT! CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT SALVATION IS BY FAITH THROUGH GRACE ALONE! WORKS ARE THE DEMONSTRATION OF THE FAITH AND THE SAVING GRACE THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE BELIEVER, THEY DO NOT EARN IT. IF A PERSON CLAIMS SALVATION BY FAITH THROUGH GRACE AND YET LIVES A LIFE THAT DOES NOT REFLECT THAT SAVING GRACE IT WOULD BE LEGITIMATE TO SUSPECT THAT THE SALVATION CLAIMED HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE!

That you choose not to believe Christian theology is your choice but to wilfully and deliberately continue to misrepresent that Christian theology is dishonest at best.

[_Drifting]

You are answering a question I didn't ask.
I asked...

"If God requires you to murder an enemies non virginal women and male children then I want no part in His plan.

Would you do it Nipper if God required it?"

If, If, If ------------------ If God only requires you to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and place your faith only in Him for your salvation would you do it?

And yet again you avoid answering...
What is it that you're scared of?

God's wrath if you don't agree that you would do anything He commands of you?
God's wrath if you say you're not willing to do anything He asks of you?

You preach but you run away at the first difficult question.
Stand up for your beliefs or run away. But running away makes God angry...