Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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gdemetz wrote:Of course, we worship the Father and pray to the Father! That is what Christ taught, isn't it?!?



The Bible says Worship and pray to Jesus, so does the Book of Mormon

Matthew 8
1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him. 2And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him

Matthew 9:
18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead:

Mathew 15:
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Matthew 28:
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me

Acts 7
59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:



3 Nephi 19:
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in ame; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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That's OK too Mittens! You appear to be really confused! Didn't Thomas worship Christ calling Him My Lord and my God, and didn't John the Revelator worship Him also, and that's from the Bible!
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gdemetz wrote:That's OK too Mittens! You appear to be really confused! Didn't Thomas worship Christ calling Him My Lord and my God, and didn't John the Revelator worship Him also, and that's from the Bible!



correct, Jesus was worshipped and Evangelic Christians Worship and sing Praises to him all the time

http://youtu.be/DdQ79-GBRi4

http://youtu.be/iHpRlztBUd8
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Are you actually beginning to see the light? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up too much!
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Now I really am confused by the turn of this thread. Gdemetz, are you suggesting that Christians do not worship Jesus as Lord and as God? It does appear that you are saying this? Emphatically, Christians worship Jesus as Lord and as God since that is exactly who he is...Emmanuel, God with Us. He is one with the Father as God and as such is worthy of our praise and worship. You will not find a Christian minister, preacher, evangelist, whatever, suggest otherwise whereas at least one "apostle" of Mormonism is on record as telling Mormons they should not worship Jesus.

John 3:6-9 "Jesus answered: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on you doi know him and have seen him. Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father."
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Albion, I am really worried about you and Mittens and your ability to read and comprehend. I didn't state that at all. I pointed out how Thomas and John worshiped Christ!
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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gdemetz wrote:Are you actually beginning to see the light? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up too much!


However McConkie says not to have personal relationship with Jesus or worship Jesus


Our Relationship with the Lord

BRUCE R. MCCONKIE

Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.
We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.


Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.
After the Firstborn of the Father, while yet a spirit being, had gained power and
intelligence that made him like unto God; after he had become, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number; after he had reigned on the throne of eternal power as the Lord Omnipotent--after all this he yet had to gain a mortal and then an immortal body.

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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My comprehension is fine is was the post and what you appeared to say that left me puzzled.
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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Trust me Albion. It is your comprehension! Also Mittens, I don't totally agree with McConkie about what you quoted. It is true that our worship should be directed to our Heavenly Father as Christ Himself pointed out. However, I already gave examples of how it was not wrong to also worship Christ. Consider this following verse from the Book of Mormon:

"Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe iin me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them." 3 Nephi 19:22
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Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

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gdemetz wrote:Trust me Albion. It is your comprehension! Also Mittens, I don't totally agree with McConkie about what you quoted. It is true that our worship should be directed to our Heavenly Father as Christ Himself pointed out. However, I already gave examples of how it was not wrong to also worship Christ. Consider this following verse from the Book of Mormon:

"Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe iin me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them." 3 Nephi 19:22


Gordon B Hinckley (during one of his 'I do know' moments) stated:
We do not worship [Joseph Smith] the Prophet. We worship God our Eternal Father and the risen Lord Jesus Christ. But we acknowledge the Prophet; we proclaim him; we respect him; we reverence him as an instrument in the hands of the Almighty in restoring to the earth the ancient truths of the divine gospel, together with the priesthood through which the authority of God is exercised in the affairs of His Church and for the blessing of His people” (Gordon B. Hinckley, “Joseph Smith Jr.—Prophet of God, Mighty Servant,” Ensign, Dec 2005, 2–6).
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