Large numbers of members apostatizing - says Marlin K Jensen

[_Franktalk]

The only reason early Christians had to come up with that idea was because Jesus hadn't come back as promised.

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Old Testament quote. If this is the best you have then find something else to do that is more in line with your limited knowledge.

[_Franktalk]

Frank,
what is meant in the book of Moses by rain?

Moses 7:
28 And it came to pass that the God of heaven looked upon the residue of the people, and he wept; and Enoch bore record of it, saying: How is it that the heavens weep, and shed forth their tears as the rain upon the mountains?

How would Enoch know what rain was if it never rained before the flood?

In Moses 7 Enoch was taken to the future. To be a witness of the future. Now if I need to explain further you will not understand anything I say.

Are you a Star Trek fan? If so watch some shows that deal with time travel.

[_Drifting]

Really?
The earth was created in just 6,000 years prior to Adam?
That would mean the earth is only....
Hmmmm Adam is circa 4,000 bc... add 6,000 years for the creation... add on the 2,000 years since Christ... and we get to....
12,000 years old.
Really?

It is conundrums like this one that is partly causing The Exodus that Jensen refers to.

Reach for the stars with your wild schemes. You either start making sense or I will stop posting to you. You have wasted enough of my time.

You wrote a threat, I read a blessing.

[_Buffalo]

The only reason early Christians had to come up with that idea was because Jesus hadn't come back as promised.

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Old Testament quote. If this is the best you have then find something else to do that is more in line with your limited knowledge.

The application of it to Jesus' promise that people of his own generation would live to see the end is quite a distortion of that passage. It doesn't really mean what you're implying. It's simply talking about Yahweh's long perspective, being immortal:

1 Lord, you have been our dwelling place
throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God.
3 You turn people back to dust,
saying, “Return to dust, you mortals.”
4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.
5 Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death—
they are like the new grass of the morning:
6 In the morning it springs up new,
but by evening it is dry and withered.

[_Franktalk]

The application of it to Jesus' promise that people of his own generation would live to see the end is quite a distortion of that passage. It doesn't really mean what you're implying. It's simply talking about Yahweh's long perspective, being immortal:

1 Lord, you have been our dwelling place
throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God.
3 You turn people back to dust,
saying, “Return to dust, you mortals.”
4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.
5 Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death—
they are like the new grass of the morning:
6 In the morning it springs up new,
but by evening it is dry and withered.

So according to you what is says in not what it means. Always a pleasure being lectured about scripture from someone who does not have a clue.

[Guest]

So according to you what is says in not what it means.

And Buff doesn't have a clue...

[_SteelHead]

Taken to the future.... Ok how does he use the word "rain" . He by your definition has no concept of rain, but Moses quotes him using the word.

[_Themis]

I have met about a dozen people in my life I would say walk in the spirit.

That can't do well for Moroni's promise if most can't get an answer from the HG. Why should anyone believe LDS claims or Catholicism, Wicca, etc? Especially if the evidnece suggests that LDS claims are not true.

I guess your position is that most people including active members have not had any communication from the HG.

[_Buffalo]

The application of it to Jesus' promise that people of his own generation would live to see the end is quite a distortion of that passage. It doesn't really mean what you're implying. It's simply talking about Yahweh's long perspective, being immortal:

1 Lord, you have been our dwelling place
throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God.
3 You turn people back to dust,
saying, “Return to dust, you mortals.”
4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.
5 Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death—
they are like the new grass of the morning:
6 In the morning it springs up new,
but by evening it is dry and withered.

So according to you what is says in not what it means. Always a pleasure being lectured about scripture from someone who does not have a clue.

It means what it says. But what it's saying has no relationship to 2 Peter.

[_Franktalk]

Buffalo,

Psa 90:4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.

and

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

How could I ever have linked these two verses. It is so obvious that a thousand years and a day mentioned in both must not be at all what they meant.

But I am still not sure what they mean. I always took them to say a thousand years is like a day to the Lord. Please let me know what they do mean.

/sarc

I thank God daily that He removed my blinders. I to used to be just like you.