Mittens wrote:....3 Nephi 19: 18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.
22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in ame; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.
30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.
(emphasis bold above mine) your incompetence is showing (again)...did you even read what you posted? verse 22 clearly details, from Christ, why they were praying to Him. You realize you are most successful at making Mormons look literate and competent while making evangelicals seem fanatical and disheveled?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote: (emphasis bold above mine) your incompetence is showing (again)...did you even read what you posted? verse 22 clearly details, from Christ, why they were praying to Him. You realize you are most successful at making Mormons look literate and competent while making evangelicals seem fanatical and disheveled?
I hate to admit it, but I've been thinking the same thing.
by the way, where did you get your dancing banana? We need more smilies on this board!!!
Mittens wrote:....3 Nephi 19: 18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.
22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in ame; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.
30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.
(emphasis bold above mine) your incompetence is showing (again)...did you even read what you posted? verse 22 clearly details, from Christ, why they were praying to Him. You realize you are most successful at making Mormons look literate and competent while making evangelicals seem fanatical and disheveled?
Maybe, but God demonstrates His power by using those who are weak and not the mighty, strong and clever.
gdemetz wrote:Trust me Albion. It is your comprehension! Also Mittens, I don't totally agree with McConkie about what you quoted. It is true that our worship should be directed to our Heavenly Father as Christ Himself pointed out. However, I already gave examples of how it was not wrong to also worship Christ. Consider this following verse from the Book of Mormon:
"Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe iin me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them." 3 Nephi 19:22
Lets see gdemetz, not probably a general authority in Mormonism, but gives his opinion over a general authority . I wonder who knows Mormonism better
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
At the risk of being obtuse...why would they pray to Jesus because he is with them? A simple explanation please. If he was with them, wouldn't a simple conversation do the trick? Just asking.
For your information MIttens, the general authorities all have opinions also, and they don't always agree. If you want to take issue, then take issue with the truth and quotes I posted!
I'll take a general authority's opinion over yours anyday about Mormonism
and I'll take my understanding about the Trinity over yours anyday also, since I went to a Private Christian School and studied it and believe it over someone who considers it an abomination since his leaders say so and hasn't really investagated it and parrots there rehetoric on it. and can give you all kinds of sourses that agree with me, even Tim Tebows Father's site on the internet
Here's Tim Tebows Father site and More on the Trinity, all say Three separate and Distinct Persons One God
To declare the Doctrine of the Trinity "Within the nature of the One TRUE God there are three separate and Distinct persons, The Father, the SON , and the Holy Spirit"
Mittens, you may believe whatever you choose to believe! You can even believe Judas, or the apostle Paul Dunn who lied many times, or you can believe other prophets and apostles who have in the past erred by making incorrect statements! It's all up to you! However, what I have told you is the true Mormon Doctrine! Also, what I have told you about the false teaching of the trinity is also true! Just check out these following statements from various so-called Christian faiths and see for yourself if they don't come up with the same BS about three Gods in one being just as Wikipedia has stated!!!
Catholic: "The MYSTERY {Babylon} of the most holy trinity is the central MYSTERY {Babylon} of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone {and Mittens} can make it known unto us by revealing Himself {ONE BEING} as the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit."
Southern Baptist Convention: "The eternal triune God REVEALS HIMSELF TO US AS FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT, WITH DISTINCT PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES, BUT WITHOUT DIVISION OF NATURE ESSENCE OR BEING" {IN OTHER WORDS, ONE BEING!}.
gdemetz wrote:Mittens, you may believe whatever you choose to believe! You can even believe Judas, or the apostle Paul Dunn who lied many times, or you can believe other prophets and apostles who have in the past erred by making incorrect statements! It's all up to you! However, what I have told you is the true Mormon Doctrine!
Interestingly, the people you listed as examples of Prophets and Authorities who have lied also claimed to be telling the truth....
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator