Bible verse by verse

[_Bazooka]

Bazooka wrote the following:
Is that a yes or a no?

I answered with the following: Yes! I am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

To which Bazooka replies: Funny that you declare belief in the Bible yet when asked a simple yes/no question about wether you believe something specific contained within the Bible you run a mile from answering it. Pathetic.

I gave Bazooka a simple Y E S answer, and he still finds fault. Bazooka seems to thrive on asking questions but never contributing any constructive ideas ----- only insults.

That's not even a clever try..
Here is the question to which you have failed to respond directly:
So, if some bloke was beating you up and your wife came to your rescue by punching your assailant in the balls, you think your wife should be punished....no, wait....you think God would want your wife to be punished?

So, As per what your Bible instructs...
Do you believe your wife should be punished in those circumstances YES/NO?
Do you believe God would want your wife punished in those circumstances YES/NO?

[_ludwigm]

I would say that if a woman cuts off or seriously injuries a man's privates that there should be some sort or recompense. Laws exist so people will hopefully think twice before doing things that are not right. I would say that if you lost your privates in a fight, you wouldn't be happy if all that you got was an 'I sorry, it will never happen again.' I would like to add, that nowhere in the Bible, did anyone receive such a sentence... So, my guess is that the threat of such a punishment was enough.

So, if some bloke was beating you up and your wife came to your rescue by punching your assailant in the balls, you think your wife should be punished....no, wait....you think God would want your wife to be punished?

She is free to hit him in the head with a frying pan. Why should she want to yank off his genitals. And why would someone what to harm me? Perhaps I provoked it?

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Bazooka wrote the following:
Is that a yes or a no?

I answered with the following: Yes! I am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

To which Bazooka replies: Funny that you declare belief in the Bible yet when asked a simple yes/no question about wether you believe something specific contained within the Bible you run a mile from answering it. Pathetic.

I gave Bazooka a simple Y E S answer, and he still finds fault. Bazooka seems to thrive on asking questions but never contributing any constructive ideas ----- only insults.

That's not even a clever try..
Here is the question to which you have failed to respond directly:
So, if some bloke was beating you up and your wife came to your rescue by punching your assailant in the balls, you think your wife should be punished....no, wait....you think God would want your wife to be punished?

So, As per what your Bible instructs...
Do you believe your wife should be punished in those circumstances YES/NO?
Do you believe God would want your wife punished in those circumstances YES/NO?

I've reread that uplifting and important verse of The Word Of God.

1. didn't You read it as it is ?
2. or is there something "as far as it is translated correctly" (You know, my pet topics...) ?

Deuteronomy 25:11

When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

taketh him by the secrets

If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals,

seizes his genitals

When men strive together, one with another, and the wife of the one hath drawn near to deliver her husband out of the hand of his smiter, and hath put forth her hand, and laid hold on his secrets,

laid hold on his secrets

Did You get it?
- no punching
- no cutting off
- no injuring seriously
- no losing
- no yanking off

These are the verbs used: seizing, laying hold on, TAKING BY

Synonyms of touching...

[_consiglieri]

I answered with the following: Yes! I am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

Then I, too, am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

And so is everyone else.

Once you have untethered being a "Christian in the biblical sense" from the Bible itself, anything goes.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_LittleNipper]

I answered with the following: Yes! I am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

Then I, too, am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

And so is everyone else.

Once you have untethered being a "Christian in the biblical sense" from the Bible itself, anything goes.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

You can only be a Christian if you didn't commit the unpardonable sin. That sin is the rejection of truth in the leading of the Holy Spirit which declares the Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One God totally united in every thought, word, and deed ---- to the glorification of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Guest]

2 Kings 20:1-21 Hezekiah became deathly ill, and the prophet Isaiah son of Amoz came to visit. He delivered the king this message: “The Lord says to set your affairs in order, for you are going to die. You will not recover from this illness.” When Hezekiah heard this, he turned his face to the wall and prayed to the Lord, “Remember, O Lord, how I have always been faithful to you and have served you single-mindedly, always doing what pleases you.” Then he broke down and wept bitterly.

Before Isaiah had departed the middle courtyard, this message came to him from the Lord: “Go back to Hezekiah, the leader of my people. Tell him, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of your ancestor David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears. I will heal you, and three days from now you will get out of bed and go to the Temple of the Lord. I will add fifteen years to your life, and I will rescue you and this city from the king of Assyria. I will defend this city for my own honor and for the sake of my servant David.’”

Isaiah said, “Make an ointment from figs.” So Hezekiah’s servants spread the ointment over the boil, and Hezekiah recovered! Hezekiah had said to Isaiah, “What sign will the Lord give to prove that he will heal me and that I will go to the Temple of the Lord three days from now?”

Isaiah replied, “This is the sign from the Lord to prove that he will do as he promised. Would you like the shadow on the sundial to go forward ten degrees or backward by ten?”

“The shadow always moves forward,” Hezekiah replied, “so that would be easy. Make it go ten degrees backward instead.” So Isaiah the prophet asked the Lord to do this, and he caused the shadow to move ten degrees backward on the sundial of Ahaz!

Soon after this, Merodach-baladan son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent Hezekiah his best wishes and a gift, for he had heard that Hezekiah had been very sick. Hezekiah received the Babylonian envoys and showed them everything in his treasure-houses—the silver, the gold, the spices, and the aromatic oils. He also took them to see his armory and showed them everything in his royal treasuries! There was nothing in his palace or kingdom that Hezekiah did not show them.

Isaiah the prophet went to King Hezekiah and asked him, “What did those men want? Where were they from?” Hezekiah replied, “They came from the distant land of Babylon.” “What did they see in your palace?” Isaiah asked. Hezekiah replied that he showed them everything he owned —all his royal treasuries.”

Isaiah said to Hezekiah, “Listen to this message from the Lord: The time is coming when everything in your palace—all the treasures stored up by your ancestors until now—will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left, says the Lord. Some of your very own sons will be taken away into exile. They will become eunuchs who will serve in the palace of Babylon’s king.”

Hezekiah said to Isaiah, “This message you have given me from the Lord is good.” For the king was thinking, “At least there will be peace and security during my lifetime.” The rest of the events in Hezekiah’s reign, including the extent of his power and how he built a pool and dug a tunnel to bring water into the city, are recorded in The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah. Hezekiah died, and his son Manasseh became the next king.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 In those days hath Hezekiah been sick unto death, and come unto him doth Isaiah son of Amoz the prophet, and saith unto him, `Thus said Jehovah: Give a charge to thy house, for thou art dying, and dost not live.'

2 And he turneth round his face unto the wall, and prayeth unto Jehovah, saying,

3 `I pray Thee, O Jehovah, remember, I pray Thee, how I have walked habitually before Thee in truth, and with a perfect heart, and that which [is] good in Thine eyes I have done;' and Hezekiah weepeth -- a great weeping.

4 And it cometh to pass -- Isaiah hath not gone out to the middle court -- that the word of Jehovah hath been unto him, saying,

5 `Turn back, and thou hast said unto Hezekiah, leader of My people: Thus said Jehovah, God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tear, lo, I give healing to thee, on the third day thou dost go up to the house of Jehovah;

6 and I have added to thy days fifteen years, and out of the hand of the king of Asshur I deliver thee and this city, and have covered over this city for Mine own sake, and for the sake of David My servant.'

7 And Isaiah saith, `Take ye a cake of figs;' and they take and lay [it] on the boil, and he reviveth.

8 And Hezekiah saith unto Isaiah, `What [is] the sign that Jehovah doth give healing to me, that I have gone up on the third day to the house of Jehovah?'

9 And Isaiah saith, `This [is] to thee the sign from Jehovah, that Jehovah doth the thing that He hath spoken -- The shadow hath gone on ten degrees, or it doth turn back ten degrees?'

10 And Hezekiah saith, `It hath been light for the shadow to incline ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow turn backward ten degrees.'

11 And Isaiah the prophet calleth unto Jehovah, and He bringeth back the shadow by the degrees that it had gone down in the degrees of Ahaz -- backward ten degrees.

12 At that time hath Berodach-Baladan son of Baladan king of Babylon sent letters and a present unto Hezekiah, for he heard that Hezekiah had been sick;

13 and Hezekiah hearkeneth unto them, and sheweth them all the house of his treasury, the silver, and the gold, and the spices, and the good ointment, and all the house of his vessels, and all that hath been found in his treasuries; there hath not been a thing that Hezekiah hath not shewed them, in his house, and in all his dominion.

14 And Isaiah the prophet cometh in unto king Hezekiah, and saith unto him, `What said these men? and whence come they unto thee?' And Hezekiah saith, `From a land afar off they have come -- from Babylon.'

15 And he saith, `What saw they in thy house?' and Hezekiah saith, `All that [is] in my house they saw; there hath not been a thing that I have not shewed them among my treasures.'

16 And Isaiah saith unto Hezekiah, `Hear a word of Jehovah:

17 Lo, days are coming, and borne hath been all that [is] in thy house, and that thy father have treasured up till this day, to Babylon; there is not left a thing, said Jehovah;

18 and of thy sons who go out from thee, whom thou begettest, they take away, and they have been eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.'

19 And Hezekiah saith unto Isaiah, `Good [is] the word of Jehovah that thou hast spoken;' and he saith, `Is it not -- if peace and truth are in my days?'

20 And the rest of the matters of Hezekiah, and all his might, and how he made the pool, and the conduit, and bringeth in the waters to the city, are they not written on the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Judah?

21 And Hezekiah lieth with his fathers, and reign doth Manasseh his son in his stead.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I answered with the following: Yes! I am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

Then I, too, am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

And so is everyone else.

Once you have untethered being a "Christian in the biblical sense" from the Bible itself, anything goes.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Hawt diggity dog, that means I'm a Biblical Christian, too!

[_LittleNipper]

2 Kings 21:1-26 Manasseh became king at 12. And he ruled 55 years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Hephzibah. He did the sinful things that were done by the nations whom the Lord drove out from the people of Israel. He rebuilt the high places which his father Hezekiah had destroyed. He built altars for Baal and made an object out of wood to worship the false goddess Asherah. He did as Ahab king of Israel had done. He worshiped the stars of heaven and served them. He had built pagan alters in God's temple. 5 Manasseh built altars for all the stars of heaven in the two open spaces of the Lord’s house. He gave his son as a burnt gift, and practiced witchcraft. He listened to mediums and practiced their secret ways. He did things that were very sinful in the eyes of the Lord, and made the Lord angry. Then Manasseh put the object he had made for Asherah into the house of the Lord. But the Lord had said to David and to his son Solomon, “I have chosen this house and Jerusalem from all the families of Israel. Here I will put My name forever. I will not make the feet of Israel travel any more from the land I gave to their fathers. But they must obey all that I have told them, and all the Law that My servant Moses told to them.” Manasseh led them to sin more than the nations whom the Lord destroyed from in front of the people of Israel.

Lord spoke through His servants who tell what will happen in the future. He said, “Manasseh king of Judah has done these sinful things. He has sinned more than all the Amorites who were before him. And he has made Judah sin with his false gods. Because he has done this, the Lord, the God of Israel, says, ‘See, I am bringing such trouble upon Jerusalem and Judah, that those hearing it will be very upset." I will punish Jerusalem as I did Samaria and as I did the family of Ahab. I will dry Jerusalem as one dries a dish, rubbing it and turning it upside-down. I will leave alone all who are left of My people, and give them to those who hate them. They will become captives after the battle by those who fight against them. Because they have done what is evil in My eyes. They have been making Me angry since the day their fathers came from Egypt until this day.’”

Manasseh killed many who were innocent. He filled Jerusalem with blood from one end to another. Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh and his sins are written in the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah. Manasseh died and was buried in the garden of his own house, in the garden of Uzza. And his son Amon became king in his place.

Amon became king at 22. He ruled for 2 years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Meshullemeth the daughter of Haruz of Jotbah. Amon did what was sinful in the eyes of the Lord, as his father Manasseh had done. He walked in all the ways that his father had walked. He worshiped false gods like his father had. So he turned away from the Lord, the God of his fathers. He did not walk in the way of the Lord. And the servants of Amon made plans against him, and killed the king in his own house. Then the people of the land killed all those who had made plans against King Amon. And they made Josiah his son king in his place. Now the rest of the acts of Amon are written in the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah. He was buried in his grave in the garden of Uzza. And his son Josiah replaced him.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 A son of twelve years [is] Manasseh in his reigning, and fifty and five years he hath reigned in Jerusalem, and the name of his mother [is] Hephzi-Bah;

2 and he doth the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah, according to the abominations of the nations that Jehovah dispossessed from the presence of the sons of Israel,

3 and he turneth and buildeth the high places that Hezekiah his father destroyed, and raiseth altars for Baal, and maketh a shrine, as did Ahab king of Israel, and boweth himself to all the host of the heavens, and serveth them.

4 And he hath built altars in the house of Jehovah, of which Jehovah said, `In Jerusalem I put My name.'

5 And he buildeth altars to all the host of the heavens in the two courts of the house of Jehovah;

6 and he hath caused his son to pass through fire, and observed clouds, and used enchantment, and dealt with a familiar spirit and wizards; he hath multiplied to do the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah -- to provoke to anger.

7 And he setteth the graven image of the shrine that he made in the house of which Jehovah said unto David and unto Solomon his son, `In this house, and in Jerusalem, that I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I put My name -- to the age;

8 and I do not add to cause the foot of Israel to move from the ground that I gave to their fathers, only, if they observe to do according to all that I commanded them, and to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them.'

9 And they have not hearkened, and Manasseh causeth them to err, to do the evil thing above the nations that Jehovah destroyed from the presence of the sons of Israel.

10 And Jehovah speaketh by the hand of his servants the prophets, saying,

11 `Because that Manasseh king of Judah hath done these abominations -- he hath done evil above all that the Amorites have done who [are] before him, and causeth also Judah to sin by his idols;

12 therefore thus said Jehovah, God of Israel, Lo, I am bringing in evil on Jerusalem and Judah, that whoever heareth of it, tingle do his two ears.

13 And I have stretched out over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab, and wiped Jerusalem as one wipeth the dish -- he hath wiped, and hath turned [it] on its face.

14 `And I have left the remnant of Mine inheritance, and given them into the hand of their enemies, and they have been for a prey and for a spoil to all their enemies,

15 because that they have done the evil thing in Mine eyes, and are provoking Me to anger from the day that their fathers came out of Egypt, even unto this day.'

16 And also, innocent blood hath Manasseh shed very much, till that he hath filled Jerusalem -- mouth to mouth; apart from his sin that he hath caused Judah to sin, to do the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah.

17 And the rest of the matters of Manasseh, and all that he did, and his sin that he sinned, are they not written on the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Judah?

18 And Manasseh lieth with his fathers, and is buried in the garden of his house, in the garden of Uzza, and reign doth Amon his son in his stead.

19 A son of twenty and two years [is] Amon in his reigning, and two years he hath reigned in Jerusalem, and the name of his mother [is] Meshullemeth daughter of Haruz of Jotbah,

20 and he doth the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah, as did Manasseh his father,

21 and walketh in all the way that his father walked in, and serveth the idols that his father served, and boweth himself to them,

22 and forsaketh Jehovah, God of his fathers, and hath not walked in the way of Jehovah.

23 And the servants of Amon conspire against him, and put the king to death in his own house,

24 and the people of the land smite all those conspiring against king Amon, and the people of the land cause Josiah his son to reign in his stead.

25 And the rest of the matters of Amon that he did, are they not written on the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Judah?

26 and [one] burieth him in his burying-place in the garden of Uzza, and reign doth Josiah his son in his stead.

[_Bazooka]

Bazooka wrote the following:
Is that a yes or a no?

I answered with the following: Yes! I am a Christian in the biblical sense of the word.

To which Bazooka replies: Funny that you declare belief in the Bible yet when asked a simple yes/no question about wether you believe something specific contained within the Bible you run a mile from answering it. Pathetic.

I gave Bazooka a simple Y E S answer, and he still finds fault. Bazooka seems to thrive on asking questions but never contributing any constructive ideas ----- only insults.

That's not even a clever try..
Here is the question to which you have failed to respond directly:
So, if some bloke was beating you up and your wife came to your rescue by punching your assailant in the balls, you think your wife should be punished....no, wait....you think God would want your wife to be punished?

So, As per what your Bible instructs...
Do you believe your wife should be punished in those circumstances YES/NO?
Do you believe God would want your wife punished in those circumstances YES/NO?

You will note that Little Nipper is avoiding answering these simple but specific questions.

[_subgenius]

You will note that Little Nipper is avoiding answering these simple but specific questions.

inept Mosaic law questions like these (i.e. feeble minded "traps") hardly merit an "answer" but rather deserve either a response of silence or of instruction...the latter being where one points out that Mosaic law is obviously a scripture context the poster is uninformed about.

[_Bazooka]

You will note that Little Nipper is avoiding answering these simple but specific questions.

inept Mosaic law questions like these (i.e. feeble minded "traps") hardly merit an "answer" but rather deserve either a response of silence or of instruction...the latter being where one points out that Mosaic law is obviously a scripture context the poster is uninformed about.

So:
Option 1 - hide from the question.
Option 2 - claim it's no longer relevant today.

Got it.