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Re: Bible verse by verse

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1 Chronicles 18:1-17 In time, David defeated the Philistines and overpowered them, and he took Gath and its surrounding villages from the control of the Philistines. David also defeated the Moabites, and they became subject to him and brought him tribute. Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer king of Zobah, in the vicinity of Hamath, when he went to set up his monument at the Euphrates River. David captured 1000 chariots, 7000 charioteers and 20,000 foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but 100 of the chariot horses.

When Arameans of Damascus came to help Hadadezer king of Zobah, David killed 22,000 of them. He put garrisons in the Aramean kingdom of Damascus, and the Arameans became subject to him and brought him tribute.

David took the gold shields carried by the officers of Hadadezer and brought them to Jerusalem. From Tebah and Kun, towns that belonged to Hadadezer, David took a great quantity of bronze, which Solomon used to make the bronze Sea, the pillars and various bronze articles for the temple.

Tou king of Hamath heard that David had defeated the entire army of Hadadezer king of Zobah, he sent his son Hadoram to King David to greet him and congratulate him on his victory in battle over Hadadezer, who had been at war with Tou. Hadoram brought all kinds of articles of gold, of silver and of bronze. King David dedicated these articles to God, as he had done with the silver and gold he had taken from all these kingdoms: Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, Philistines, and Amalekites.

Abishai son of Zeruiah destroyed 18,000 Edomites in the Valley of Salt. He put garrisons in Edom, and all the Edomites became subject to David. The Lord gave David victory wherever he went.

David reigned over Israel, doing what was just and right for his people. Joab son of Zeruiah was over the army; Jehoshaphat son of Ahilud was the historian; Zadok son of Ahitub and Ahimelek son of Abiathar were priests; Shavsha was secretary; Benaiah son of Jehoiada was over the Kerethites and Pelethites; and David’s sons were his cabinet officials.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass after this, that David smiteth the Philistines, and humbleth them, and taketh Gath and its small towns out of the hand of the Philistines;

2 and he smiteth Moab, and the Moabites are servants to David, bringing a present.

3 And David smiteth Hadarezer king of Zobah, at Hamath, in his going to establish his power by the river Phrat,

4 and David captureth from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen, and David destroyeth utterly all the chariots, and leaveth of them a hundred chariots [only].

5 And Aram of Damascus cometh in to give help to Hadarezer king of Zobah, and David smiteth in Aram twenty and two thousand men,

6 and David putteth [garrisons] in Aram of Damascus, and the Aramaeans are to David for servants, bearing a present, and Jehovah giveth salvation to David whithersoever he hath gone.

7 And David taketh the shields of gold that have been on the servants of Hadarezer, and bringeth them in to Jerusalem;

8 and from Tibhath, and from Chun, cities of Hadarezer, hath David taken very much brass; with it hath Solomon made the brazen sea, and the pillars, and the vessels of brass.

9 And Tou king of Hamath heareth that David hath smitten the whole force of Hadarezer king of Zobah,

10 and he sendeth Hadoram his son unto king David, to ask of him of peace, and to bless him (because that he hath fought against Hadarezer, and smiteth him, for a man of wars with Tou had Hadarezer been,) and all kinds of vessels, of gold, and silver, and brass;

11 also them hath king David sanctified to Jehovah with the silver and the gold that he hath taken from all the nations, from Edom, and from Moab, and from the sons of Ammon, and from the Philistines, and from Amalek.

12 And Abishai son of Zeruiah hath smitten Edom in the valley of salt -- eighteen thousand,

13 and he putteth in Edom garrisons, and all the Edomites are servants to David; and Jehovah saveth David whithersoever he hath gone.

14 And David reigneth over all Israel, and he is doing judgment and righteousness to all his people,

15 and Joab son of Zeruiah [is] over the host, and Jehoshaphat son of Ahilud [is] remembrancer,

16 and Zadok son of Ahitub, and Abimelech son of Abiathar, [are] priests, and Shavsha [is] scribe,

17 and Benaiah son of Jehoiada [is] over the Cherethite and the Pelethite, and the elder sons of David [are] at the hand of the king.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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LittleNipper wrote: Tebah and Kun, towns that belonged to Hadadezer
Tou king of Hamath
Hadadezer king of Zobah
Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, Philistines, and Amalekites
Abishai son of Zeruiah
Jehoshaphat son of Ahilud
Zadok son of Ahitub and Ahimelek son of Abiathar
Shavsha was secretary
Benaiah son of Jehoiada was over the Kerethites and Pelethites

Names, names, names...

Isn't it unentertaining unexciting uninteresting vapid wearisome for you?
For us, it is.

Who cares with the Kerethites and Pelethites --- except you.
Nobody know who was they --- even you don't know it.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote: Tebah and Kun, towns that belonged to Hadadezer
Tou king of Hamath
Hadadezer king of Zobah
Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, Philistines, and Amalekites
Abishai son of Zeruiah
Jehoshaphat son of Ahilud
Zadok son of Ahitub and Ahimelek son of Abiathar
Shavsha was secretary
Benaiah son of Jehoiada was over the Kerethites and Pelethites

Names, names, names...

Isn't it unentertaining unexciting uninteresting vapid wearisome for you?
For us, it is.

Who cares with the Kerethites and Pelethites --- except you.
Nobody know who was they --- even you don't know it.

And I thought the Mormons were really into ancestry. :lol: The reality is that the truth of the past is often how we are connected to it. Yes, names can be taxing but that is all anyone of us is ----- simply a name in a long line of begottens. What I find interesting is what they did. Sometimes the Bible says and sometimes nothing is said. And it isn't always because they were "important." Often the Bible has more to say about someone who goes nameless than someone whose name is mentioned. I simply feel that if God took the energy to have a name recorded for posterity, that I should at least glance at it ----- if even for a fleeting moment.
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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LittleNipper wrote:The essential message of Jesus
John 14:6 Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


The essential message of Jesus in John is quite different from the essential message of Jesus in Matthew.

All the Best!

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You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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consiglieri wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:The essential message of Jesus
John 14:6 Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


The essential message of Jesus in John is quite different from the essential message of Jesus in Matthew.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri


Consiglieri, I can easily see that John and Matthew have very different styles of thought. Are you sure about "essential message"? Perhaps so but I can't help but wonder how you are seeing that. Johns quoted statement has always sounded to my ears like an invitation to ask what does this mean????

You might not mean that Matthew would disagree that Jesus is the way truth and life. Matthew to my view is not proposing different individuals through whom we reach the Father instead of Jesus.

Perhaps in viewing Jesus as the way truth and life Matthew points first to different things than John to commence to ask, so what does that mean?
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consiglieri wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:The essential message of Jesus
John 14:6 Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


The essential message of Jesus in John is quite different from the essential message of Jesus in Matthew.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Well, when we get there we will have to take a look. :ugeek:
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1 Chronicles 19:1-19 David conquered his enemies and united Israel into one nation, Nahash (king of the Ammonites) died, and his son ascended to the throne. David sent messengers into Ammonite territory to console Hanun (son of Nahash) about his father’s death. David considered to be merciful to Hanun because his father was merciful towards him. The Ammonite chiefs doubted David’s sincerity. They believed that the messengers where here to spy and overthrow the new king.

So Hanun humiliated David’s servants: shaved them, cut their garment hems up to their hips, and sent them away. When David heard what had happened, he sent a message to his humiliated servants: This is a shameful turn of events. In the ancient world, normally eunuchs are clean shaven, so this is a deep insult to David and his people.

David’s message was for the humiliated messengers to stay at Jericho until their beards grew, and then return to Jerusalem.

When Hanun and the Ammonites realized they had made themselves abhorrent to David, they paid 37 tons of silver to mercenaries from Mesopotamia, Aram-maacah, and Zobah. They hired 32,000 chariots and the king of Maacah and his people (who camped at Medeba). Then the Ammonites gathered together from their cities for the battle. When David heard about Ammon’s preparations, he sent Joab and all of his mighty army. The Ammonites approached the city gate in their armor, but the Aramean kings who had come to help the Ammonites were alone in the field.

When Joab realized his forces were at a disadvantage, he asked the most skilled Israelite soldiers to prepare for battle against the Arameans. His brother Abshai commanded the remainder of the forces, who prepared to fight the Ammonites. Joab said to Abshai, that If the Arameans are too strong, then Abshai is to help Joab; and if the Ammonites are too strong, then Joab will help Abshai.

When Joab and his forces approached the Arameans, the enemy fled. When the Ammonites saw the Arameans flee, they also fled from Abshai back into the city walls. Then Joab returned to Jerusalem. After their defeat by Israel, the Arameans sent for other Arameans who lived beyond the Euphrates River with Shophach (the commander of Hadadezer’s army) leading them. When David heard, he responded to this mobilization by gathering his forces, crossing the Jordan, and facing the Arameans in formation. When the Arameans saw this they arranged their forces and engaged in battle. The Arameans fled from the Israelites; and David killed 7,000 charioteers, 40,000 foot soldiers, and Shophach (the commander of the army).

When the servants of Hadadezer realized Israel had defeated them, they surrendered to David and served him—unwilling to help the Ammonites anymore.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass after this, that Nahash king of the sons of Ammon dieth, and his son reigneth in his stead,

2 and David saith, `I do kindness with Hanun son of Nahash, for his father did with me kindness;' and David sendeth messengers to comfort him concerning his father. And the servants of David come in unto the land of the sons of Ammon, unto Hanun, to comfort him,

3 and the heads of the sons of Ammon say to Hanun, `Is David honouring thy father, in thine eyes, because he hath sent to thee comforters? in order to search, and to overthrow, and to spy out, the land, have not his servants come in unto thee?'

4 And Hanun taketh the servants of David, and shaveth them, and cutteth their long robes in the midst, unto the buttocks, and sendeth them away.

5 And [some] go, and declare to David concerning the men, and he sendeth to meet them -- for the men have been greatly ashamed -- and the king saith, `Dwell in Jericho till that your beard is grown, then ye have returned.'

6 And the sons of Ammon see that they have made themselves abhorred by David, and Hanun and the sons of Ammon send a thousand talents of silver, to hire to them, from Aram-Naharaim, and from Aram-Maachah, and from Zobah, chariots and horsemen;

7 and they hire to them two and thirty thousand chariots, and the king of Maachah and his people, and they come in and encamp before Medeba, and the sons of Ammon have been gathered out of their cities, and come in to the battle.

8 And David heareth, and sendeth Joab, and all the host of the mighty men,

9 and the sons of Ammon come out and set battle in array at the opening of the city, and the kings who have come [are] by themselves in the field.

10 And Joab seeth that the front of the battle hath been unto him, before and behind, and he chooseth out of all the choice in Israel, and setteth in array to meet Aram,

11 and the remnant of the people he hath given into the hand of Abishai his brother, and they set in array to meet the sons of Ammon.

12 And he saith, `If Aram be stronger than I, then thou hast been to me for salvation; and if the sons of Ammon be stronger than thou, then I have saved thee;

13 be strong, and we strengthen ourselves, for our people, and for the cities of our God, and Jehovah doth that which is good in His eyes.'

14 And Joab draweth nigh, and the people who [are] with him, before Aram to battle, and they flee from his face;

15 and the sons of Ammon have seen that Aram hath fled, and they flee -- they also -- from the face of Abishai his brother, and go in to the city. And Joab cometh in to Jerusalem.

16 And Aram seeth that they have been smitten before Israel, and send messengers, and bring out Aram that [is] beyond the River, and Shophach head of the host of Hadarezer [is] before them.

17 And it is declared to David, and he gathereth all Israel, and passeth over the Jordan, and cometh in unto them, and setteth in array against them; yea, David setteth in array the battle to meet Aram, and they fight with him;

18 and Aram fleeth from the face of Israel, and David slayeth of Aram seven thousand charioteers, and forty thousand footmen, and Shophach head of the host he hath put to death.

19 And the servants of Hadarezer see that they have been smitten before Israel, and they make peace with David and serve him, and Aram hath not been willing to help the sons of Ammon any more.
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LittleNipper wrote:
ludwigm wrote:[ quote="LittleNipper"] Tebah and Kun, towns that belonged to Hadadezer
Tou king of Hamath
Hadadezer king of Zobah
Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, Philistines, and Amalekites
Abishai son of Zeruiah
Jehoshaphat son of Ahilud
Zadok son of Ahitub and Ahimelek son of Abiathar
Shavsha was secretary
Benaiah son of Jehoiada was over the Kerethites and Pelethites
[ /quote]
Names, names, names...

Isn't it unentertaining unexciting uninteresting vapid wearisome for you?
For us, it is.

Who cares with the Kerethites and Pelethites --- except you.
Nobody know who was they --- even you don't know it.
The reality is that the truth of the past is often how we are connected to it.
In this case, we are not connected it anyway.

LittleNipper wrote: Yes, names can be taxing but that is all anyone of us is ----- simply a name in a long line of begottens.
My grandchildren know me as Ludwig grandpa and love me as such. The younger ones even don't know my real life name...

LittleNipper wrote:Sometimes the Bible says and sometimes nothing is said. And it isn't always because they were "important."
In this case, nothing is said for (to?) a XXIst century reader. Nothing important.

LittleNipper wrote: I simply feel that if God took the energy to have a name recorded for posterity, that I should at least glance at it ----- if even for a fleeting moment.
God? God???
I don't know such entity. In your Bible, nothing was recorded by that entity. The Bible was written by people. Primitive people, sorry for saying this...

If you believe in him/her/it/they/whoever, it is your social/mental problem. Don't bother us with your social/mental problems, if I may ask!
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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote: I simply feel that if God took the energy to have a name recorded for posterity, that I should at least glance at it ----- if even for a fleeting moment.
God? God???
I don't know such entity. In your Bible, nothing was recorded by that entity. The Bible was written by people. Primitive people, sorry for saying this...

If you believe in him/her/it/they/whoever, it is your social/mental problem. Don't bother us with your social/mental problems, if I may ask!

The Bible is only the most read, misunderstood, talked about, pondered, studied, and investigated group of manuscripts of all time. And you say it was written by primitive people? You must not have seen many movies nor read a lot of science fiction, because I see the Bible plagiarized again and again and again. If there are any primitive people they still exist and are alive in your own backyard. :ugeek: You don't know God, but you are not going to tell me that even you never prayed to Him at some point. So far over the course of this thread, no one has shown that the Bible is incoherent. And yet very well educated people in Rome, Greece, and Egypt wrote epics that most people totally ignore or do not have second thoughts about. And actually, there is a lot written today that is all but forgotten tomorrow. When was the last time you read a Moody Blues album pamphlet from cover to cover and said, "Cool, right on, far out, subliminally groovy dude." :lol: And yet the Bible is still here and still read and still pondered over and you are here.................. :surprised:
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1 Chronicles 20:1-8 The following spring (spring was the season when wars usually began) Joab led the Israeli army in successful attacks against the cities and villages of the people of Ammon. After destroying them, he laid siege to Rabbah and captured it. David had stayed in Jerusalem. When David arrived, he removed the crown from the head of King Milcom of Rabbah and put it on his own. It was made of gold inlaid with gems and weighed approximately 67 pounds! David took great amounts of plunder from the city. He drove the people from the city and set them to work with saws, iron picks, and axes, as was his custom with all the conquered Ammonite peoples. Then David and all his army returned to Jerusalem.

The next war was against the Philistines again, at Gezer. But Sibbecai, a man from Hushath, killed Sippai --- one of the sons of the giant, and so the Philistines surrendered. During another war with the Philistines, Elhanan (the son of Jair) killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath the giant; the handle of his spear was like a weaver’s beam! During another battle, at Gath, a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot (his father was a giant) insulted Israel; but he was killed by David’s nephew Jonathan, the son of David’s brother Shimea. These giants were descendants of the giant of Gath, and they were killed by David and his soldiers.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass, at the time of the turn of the year -- at the time of the going out of the messengers -- that Joab leadeth out the force of the host, and destroyeth the land of the sons of Ammon, and cometh in and beseigeth Rabbah -- David is abiding in Jerusalem -- and Joab smiteth Rabbah, and breaketh it down.

2 And David taketh the crown of their king from off his head, and findeth it [in] weight a talent of gold, and in it a precious stone, and it is on the head of David: and spoil of the city he hath brought out very much,

3 and the people who [are] in it he hath brought out, and setteth to the saw, and to cutting instruments of iron, and to axes; and thus doth David to all cities of the sons of Ammon, and David turneth back, and all the people, to Jerusalem.

4 And it cometh to pass, after this, that there remaineth war in Gezer with the Philistines, then hath Sibbechai the Hushathite smitten Sippai, of the children of the giant, and they are humbled.

5 And there is again war with the Philistines, and Elhanan son of Jair smiteth Lahmi, brother of Goliath the Gittite, the wood of whose spear [is] like a beam of weavers.

6 And there is again war in Gath, and there is a man of measure, and his fingers and his toes [are] six and six, twenty and four, and also, he hath been born to the giant.

7 And he reproacheth Israel, and smite him doth Jonathan son of Shimea, brother of David.

8 These were born to the giant in Gath, and they fall by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
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