Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

1 Chronicles 27:1-34 The Israeli army was divided into 112 regiments, each with 24,000 troops, including officers and administrative staff. These units were called up for active duty one month each year.

The commander of the First Division was Jashobeam. He had charge of 24,000 troops who were on duty the first month of each year.

The commander of the Second Division was Dodai (a descendant of Ahohi). He had charge of 24,000 troops who were on duty the second month of each year. Mikloth was his executive officer.

The commander of the Third Division was Benaiah. His 24,000 men were on duty the third month of each year. (He was the son of Jehoiada the High Priest and was the chief of The Thirty, a group including the mightiest of David’s men.) His son Ammizabad succeeded him as division commander.

The commander of the Fourth Division was Asahel (the brother of Joab), who was later replaced by his son Zebadiah. He had 24,000 men on duty the fourth month of each year.

The commander of the Fifth was Shamuth from Izrah, with 24,000 men on duty the fifth month of each year.

The commander of the Sixth was Ira, the son of Ikkesh from Tekoa; he had 24,000 men on duty the sixth month of each year.

Of the Seventh was Helez from Pelona in Ephraim, with 24,000 men on duty the seventh month of each year.

Of the Eighth was Sibbecai of the Hushite subclan from Zerah, who had 24,000 men on duty the eighth month of each year.

Of the Ninth was Abiezer (from Anathoth in the tribe of Benjamin), who commanded 24,000 troops during the ninth month of each year.

Of the Tenth was Maharai from Netophah in Zerah, with 24,000 men on duty the tenth month of each year.

Of the Eleventh was Benaiah from Pirathon in Ephraim, with 24,000 men on duty during the eleventh month of each year.

Of the Twelfth was Heldai from Netophah in the area of Othniel, who commanded 24,000 men on duty during the twelfth month of each year.

The top political officers of the tribes of Israel were as follows:

Over Reuben, Eliezer (son of Zichri);

Over Simeon, Shephatiah (son of Maacah);

Over Levi, Hashabiah (son of Kemuel);

Over the descendants of Aaron, Zadok;

Over Judah, Elihu (a brother of King David);

Over Issachar, Omri (son of Michael);

Over Zebulun, Ishmaiah (son of Obadiah);

Over Naphtali, Jeremoth (son of Azriel);

Over Ephraim, Hoshea (son of Azaziah);

Over the half-tribe of Manasseh, Joel (son of Pedaiah);

Over the other half of Manasseh, in Gilead, Iddo (son of Zechariah);

Over Benjamin, Jaasiel (son of Abner);

Over Dan, Azarel (son of Jeroham).

When David took his census, he didn’t include those 21 or younger, for the Lord had promised a population explosion for his people. Joab began the census, but he never finished it, for the anger of God broke out upon Israel; the final total was never put into the annals of King David.

Azmaveth (son of Adiel) was the chief financial officer in charge of the palace treasuries, and Jonathan (son of Uzziah) was chief of the regional treasuries throughout the cities, villages, and fortresses of Israel.

Ezri (son of Chelub) was manager of the laborers on the king’s estates. And Shimei from Ramath had the oversight of the king’s vineyards; and Zabdi from Shiphma was responsible for his wine production and storage. Baal-hanan from Gedera was responsible for the king’s olive yards and sycamore trees in the lowlands bordering Philistine territory, while Joash had charge of the supplies of olive oil.

Shitrai from Sharon was in charge of the cattle on the plains of Sharon, and Shaphat (son of Adlai) had charge of those in the valleys. Obil, from the territory of Ishmael, had charge of the camels, and Jehdeiah from Meronoth had charge of the donkeys. The sheep were under the care of Jaziz the Hagrite. These men were King David’s overseers.

The attendant to the king’s sons was Jonathan, David’s uncle, a wise counselor and an educated man. Jehiel (the son of Hachmoni) was their tutor.

Ahithophel was the king’s official counselor, and Hushai the Archite was his personal advisor. Ahithophel was assisted by Jehoiada (the son of Benaiah) and by Abiathar. Joab was commander-in-chief of the Israeli army.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And the sons of Israel, after their number, heads of the fathers, and princes of the thousands and of the hundreds, and their officers, those serving the king in any matter of the courses, that are coming in and going out month by month, throughout all months of the year -- [are] in each course twenty and four thousand.

2 Over the first course, for the first month, [is] Jashobeam son of Zabdiel, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand;

3 of the sons of Perez [is] the head of all princes of the hosts for the first month.

4 And over the course of the second month [is] Dodai the Ahohite, and his course, and Mikloth [is] the president, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

5 Head of the third host, for the third month, [is] Benaiah son of Jehoiada, the head priest, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

6 This Benaiah [is] a mighty one of the thirty, and over the thirty, and [in] his course [is] Ammizabad his son.

7 The fourth, for the fourth month, [is] Asahel brother of Joab, and Zebadiah his son after him, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

8 The fifth, for the fifth month, [is] the prince Shamhuth the Izrahite, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

9 The sixth, for the sixth month, [is] Ira son of Ikkesh the Tekoite, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

10 The seventh, for the seventh month, [is] Helez the Pelonite, of the sons of Ephraim, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

11 The eighth, for the eighth month, [is] Sibbecai the Hushathite, of the Zarhite, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

12 The ninth, for the ninth month, [is] Abiezer the Antothite, of the Benjamite, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

13 The tenth, for the tenth month, [is] Maharai the Netophathite, of the Zarhite, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

14 Eleventh, for the eleventh month, [is] Benaiah the Pirathonite, of the sons of Ephraim, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

15 The twelfth, for the twelfth month, [is] Heldai the Netophathite, of Othniel, and on his course [are] twenty and four thousand.

16 And over the tribes of Israel: Of the Reubenite, a leader [is] Eliezer son of Zichri; of the Simeonite, Shephatiah son of Maachah;

17 of the Levite, Hashabiah son of Kemuel; of the Aaronite, Zadok;

18 of Judah, Elihu, of the brethren of David; of Issachar, Omri son of Michael;

19 of Zebulun, Ishmaiah son of Obadiah; of Naphtali, Jerimoth son of Azriel;

20 of the sons of Ephraim, Hoshea son of Azaziah; of the half of the tribe of Manasseh, Joel son of Pedaiah;

21 of the half of Manasseh in Gilead, Iddo son of Zechariah; of Benjamin, Jaasiel son of Abner; of Dan, Azareel son of Jeroham:

22 these [are] heads of the tribes of Israel.

23 And David hath not taken up their number from a son of twenty years and under, for Jehovah said to multiply Israel as the stars of the heavens.

24 Joab son of Zeruiah hath begun to number -- and hath not finished -- and there is for this wrath against Israel, and the number hath not gone up in the account of the Chronicles of king David.

25 And over the treasures of the king [is] Azmaveth son of Adiel; and over the treasures in the field, in the cities, and in the villages, and in the towers, [is] Jehonathan son of Uzziah;

26 and over workmen of the field for the service of the ground [is] Ezri son of Chelub;

27 and over the vineyards [is] Shimei the Ramathite; and over what [is] in the vineyards for the treasures of wine [is] Zabdi the Shiphmite;

28 and over the olives, and the sycamores, that [are] in the low country, [is] Baal-Hanan the Gederite; and over the treasures of oil [is] Joash;

29 and over the herds that are feeding in Sharon [is] Shitrai the Sharonite; and over the herds in the valleys [is] Shaphat son of Adlai;

30 and over the camels [is] Obil the Ishmeelite; and over the asses [is] Jehdeiah the Meronothite;

31 and over the flock [is] Jaziz the Hagerite; all these [are] heads of the substance that king David hath.

32 And Jonathan, uncle of David, [is] counsellor, a man of understanding, he is also a scribe; and Jehiel son of Hachmoni [is] with the sons of the king;

33 and Ahithophel [is] counsellor to the king; and Hushai the Archite [is] the friend of the king;

34 and after Ahithophel [is] Jehoiada son of Benaiah, and Abiathar; and the head of the host of the king [is] Joab.

[_huckelberry]

My comment he is trying to answer is: god can punish anybody anywhere whenever he wants (and creates a cause to do it).

You believe in relativism. I do not. I believe that there are absolutes --- right and wrong. God is perfect. Man falls short of perfection because he is now sinful by nature --- because of the Fall of Adam.

Nipper, I do not understand why you think Ludwigm is a relativist. He is stating that he thinks the Biblical picture of God show a God which is far less than perfect. That does not mean he does not believe there is a real difference between good and evil. Perhaps for communication you could say what you mean by relativism and why you would think ludwigm would fit that.His joke is an attack on authority which does not know right from wrong. The attack does not make sense if you do not believe in an absolute right and wrong. Perhaps only those who believe that the dictates of authority create right are relativists.

[_LittleNipper]

You believe in relativism. I do not. I believe that there are absolutes --- right and wrong. God is perfect. Man falls short of perfection because he is now sinful by nature --- because of the Fall of Adam.

Nipper, I do not understand why you think Ludwigm is a relativist. He is stating that he thinks the Biblical picture of God show a God which is far less than perfect. That does not mean he does not believe there is a real difference between good and evil. Perhaps for communication you could say what you mean by relativism and why you would think ludwigm would fit that.His joke is an attack on authority which does not know right from wrong. The attack does not make sense if you do not believe in an absolute right and wrong. Perhaps only those who believe that the dictates of authority create right are relativists.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

God does not punish anyone anywhere for the wrong reasons. God laid out specific regulations. Man is always trying to push those boundaries either knowingly or without consideration. God's rules are not arbitrary, nor are they contradictory.

[_LittleNipper]

1 Chronicles 28:1-21 David called together all the officials of Israel to assemble in Jerusalem: the officers over the tribes, the commanders of the divisions in the service of the king, the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds, and the officials in charge of all the property and livestock belonging to the king and his sons, together with the palace officials, and the service men.

King David rose to his feet and said: “Listen to me, my fellow Israelites, my people. I had it in my heart to build a house as a place of rest for the ark of the covenant of the Lord, for the footstool of our God, and I made plans to build it. But God said to me, ‘You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood.’ Yet the Lord, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. Choosing Judah as leader, and from that tribe he chose my family, and from those sons he was pleased to make me king over all Israel. Of all my sons—and the Lord has given me many—he has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the Lord over Israel. He said to me: ‘Solomon your son is the one who will build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. I will establish his kingdom forever if he is unswerving in carrying out my commands and laws, as is being done at this time.’ So now I charge you in the sight of all Israel and of the assembly of the Lord, and in the hearing of our God: Be careful to follow all the commands of the Lord your God, that you may possess this good land and pass it on as an inheritance to your descendants forever. And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever. Consider now, for the Lord has chosen you to build a house as the sanctuary. Be strong and do the work.”

David gave his son Solomon the plans for the portico of the temple, its buildings, its storerooms, its upper parts, its inner rooms and the place of atonement. He gave him the plans of all that the Spirit had put in his mind for the courts of the temple of the Lord and all the surrounding rooms, for the treasuries of the temple of God and for the treasuries for the dedicated things. He gave him instructions for the divisions of the priests and Levites, and for all the work of serving in the temple of the Lord, as well as for all the articles to be used in its service.

He designated the weight of gold for all the gold articles to be used in various kinds of service. These included the weight of gold for the gold lampstands and their lamps, each table for consecrated bread, the forks, sprinkling bowls and pitchers and each gold dish. Also the weight of the refined gold for the altar of incense.

David designated the weight of silver for each silver lampstand and its lamps, according to the use of each lampstand, the silver tables, and each silver dish. And David also gave Solomon the plan for the vehicle, that is, the cherubim of gold that spread their wings and overshadow the ark of the covenant of the Lord.

“All this,” David said, “I have in writing as a result of the Lord’s hand on me, and he enabled me to understand all the details of the plan.”
David admonished Solomon to be strong and courageous, and do the work. And not to be afraid or get discouraged, for the Lord God is upon Solomon. He will not fail or forsake Solomon through finishing all the work for the service of the temple of the Lord. The divisions of the priests and Levites are ready for all the work on the temple of God, and every willing person skilled in any craft will assist in all the work. The officials and all the people will obey Solomon's every command.”

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And David assembleth all the heads of Israel, heads of the tribes, and heads of the courses who are serving the king, and heads of the thousands, and heads of the hundreds, and heads of all the substance and possessions of the king, and of his sons, with the officers and the mighty ones, even to every mighty one of valour -- unto Jerusalem.

2 And David the king riseth on his feet, and saith, `Hear me, my brethren and my people, I -- with my heart -- to build a house of rest for the ark of the covenant of Jehovah, and for the footstool of our God, and I prepared to build,

3 and God hath said to me, Thou dost not build a house to My name, for a man of wars thou [art], and blood thou hast shed.

4 `And Jehovah, God of Israel, doth fix on me out of all the house of my father to be for king over Israel to the age, for on Judah He hath fixed for a leader, and in the house of Judah, the house of my father, and among the sons of my father, on me, [me] He hath been pleased to make king over all Israel;

5 and out of all my sons -- for many sons hath Jehovah given to me -- He also fixeth on Solomon my son, to sit on the throne of the kingdom of Jehovah over Israel,

6 and saith to me, Solomon thy son, he doth build My house, and My courts, for I have fixed on him to Me for a son, and I -- I am to him for a father,

7 and I have established his kingdom to the age, if he is strong to do My commands, and My judgments, as at this day.

8 `And now, before the eyes of all Israel, the assembly of Jehovah, and in the ears of our God, keep and seek all the commands of Jehovah your God, so that ye possess this good land, and have caused your sons to inherit after you unto the age.

9 `And thou, Solomon, my son, know the God of thy father, and serve Him with a perfect heart, and with a willing mind, for all hearts is Jehovah seeking, and every imagination of the thoughts He is understanding; if thou dost seek Him, He is found of thee, and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever.

10 See, now, for Jehovah hath fixed on thee to build a house for a sanctuary; be strong, and do.'

11 And David giveth to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of its houses, and of its treasures, and of its upper chambers, and of its innermost chambers, and of the house of the atonement;

12 and the pattern of all that hath been by the Spirit with him, for the courts of the house of Jehovah, and for all the chambers round about, for the treasures of the house of God, and for the treasures of the things sacrificed;

13 and for the courses of the priests and of the Levites, and for all the work of the service of the house of Jehovah, and for all vessels of service of the house of Jehovah,

14 even gold by weight, for [things of] gold, for all instruments of service and service; for all instruments of silver by weight, for all instruments of service and service;

15 and [by] weight for the candlesticks of gold, and their lamps of gold, by weight [for] candlestick and candlestick, and its lamps; and for the candlesticks of silver, by weight for a candlestick and its lamps, according to the service of candlestick and candlestick;

16 and the gold [by] weight for tables of the arrangement, for table and table, and silver for the tables of silver;

17 and the forks, and the bowls, and the cups of pure gold, and for the basins of gold, by weight for basin and basin, and for the basins of silver, by weight for basin and basin,

18 and for the altar of perfume refined gold by weight, and for the pattern of the chariot of the cherubs of gold -- spreading and covering over the ark of the covenant of Jehovah.

19 The whole [is] in writing from the hand of Jehovah, `He caused me to understand all the work of the pattern,' [said David.]

20 And David saith to Solomon his son, `Be strong, and courageous, and do; do not fear nor be affrighted, for Jehovah God, my God, [is] with thee; He doth not fail thee, nor forsake thee, unto the completion of all the work of the service of the house of Jehovah.

21 `And lo, courses of the priests and of the Levites [are] for all the service of the house of God; and with thee in all work [is] every willing one with wisdom, for every service; and the heads and all the people [are] according to all thy words.'

[_ludwigm]

I have to arrange the path:

... god can punish anybody anywhere whenever he wants (and creates a cause to do it).

As the bear said to the wolf: "that bastard bunny has no cap again, so we must beat him!"

You believe in relativism.

I do not. Nothing is far from it. I don't know which of my words motivated you to believe it.

I believe that there are absolutes --- right and wrong.

I know that there are absolutes --- and I am acting as they are the universal law.
You know (I hope ---):

A categorical imperative denotes an absolute, unconditional requirement that must be obeyed in all circumstances and is justified as an end in itself. It is best known in its first formulation:
Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.

God is perfect.

No such entity exists. This is the biggest deficiency of perfection.

Man falls short of perfection because he is now sinful by nature --- because of the Fall of Adam.

Hogwash. There were no Adam, no fall, the word "sin" has no meaning for me. And this sentence has nothing to do my pőint.

Nipper, I do not understand why you think Ludwigm is a relativist.

That is.

He is stating that he thinks the Biblical picture of God show a God which is far less than perfect.

Your words are more than courteous.

God's rules are not arbitrary, nor are they contradictory.

All of my comments about your savage, primitive, jealous god prove the opposite.

God does not punish anyone anywhere for the wrong reasons.

Yes. He (she/it) creates a baseless ad-hoc reason, which is evaluated as good reason by types as you.


One more example, not a joke...
Imagine that I AM YOUR GOD!!! (fortunately I am not...)
My 73rd Commandment: Counting fingers is wrong. (Why? As I am your god, I outlawed you to count your finger. THOSE ARE MY, NOT YOURS, AND I AM WHO DRAWS THE LAW!!!)
I command you to count your fingers. (Why? DON'T ASK WHY, I AM YOUR GOD!!!)
I cut half of your finger BECAUSE YOUR ACTION WAS A SIN!!!)
OK, I punished YOUR FINGERS because YOU have broken MY LAW.
--- and there was a good reason to do it ---

[_ludwigm]

A new comment --- instead of editing ---
- You eat human flesh. Is not that wrong?
- Why would it be wrong?

[_huckelberry]

Nipper, I do not understand why you think Ludwigm is a relativist. He is stating that he thinks the Biblical picture of God show a God which is far less than perfect. That does not mean he does not believe there is a real difference between good and evil. Perhaps for communication you could say what you mean by relativism and why you would think ludwigm would fit that.His joke is an attack on authority which does not know right from wrong. The attack does not make sense if you do not believe in an absolute right and wrong. Perhaps only those who believe that the dictates of authority create right are relativists.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

God does not punish anyone anywhere for the wrong reasons. God laid out specific regulations. Man is always trying to push those boundaries either knowingly or without consideration. God's rules are not arbitrary, nor are they contradictory.

Ok but what do these statements have to do with the question of why you accused Ludwigm of being a relativist?

I get the impression sometimes that fundamentalist like to call people relativist because it sounds like some sort of science theory which they do not like.

Ludwigm believes there is absolute right and wrong. Do you agree with him?

[_ludwigm]

...
Ludwigm believes there is absolute right and wrong. Do you agree with him?

And ludwigm acts as somebody who defined himself what is right and what is wrong. This is the Kantian imperative, if ludwigm may use the correct terminology.


LittleNipper defines nothing. He is booby enough to follow unnamed three thousand years old tribal factotums from the skirt of the map.

And he is trying to prove that listing exactly two dozen of never existed chieftains who all had exactly one dozen sons is something uplifting, and we should enjoy it... through 137 pages ( --- up to now --- )

[_LittleNipper]

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

God does not punish anyone anywhere for the wrong reasons. God laid out specific regulations. Man is always trying to push those boundaries either knowingly or without consideration. God's rules are not arbitrary, nor are they contradictory.

Ok but what do these statements have to do with the question of why you accused Ludwigm of being a relativist?

I get the impression sometimes that fundamentalist like to call people relativist because it sounds like some sort of science theory which they do not like.

Ludwigm believes there is absolute right and wrong. Do you agree with him?

Look at what Ludwigm says, and I quote," And ludwigm acts as somebody who defined himself what is right and what is wrong. This is the Kantian imperative, if ludwigm may use the correct terminology."

This is relativism. What is good for "Ludwigm" is "good," and what "Ludwigm" doesn't want or like or accept is bad (if it effects Ludwigm's perception of himself, needs and desires). It is exactly the very same philosophy employed by the those siding with the Nazis, Communists, Capitalists and Socialists. They all define what is good ----- not by what is actually RIGHTEOUS, but how something affects their own abilities to influence their own directive. Is gay marriage good ---- I mean really a good thing? I believe that time will always reveal the reality, but by then it is often too, too late. God calls it wrong and that is what I accept.

[_ludwigm]

Look at what Ludwigm says below as I quote," And ludwigm acts as somebody who defined himself what is right and what is wrong. This is the Kantian imperative, if ludwigm may use the correct terminology."

This is relativism. What is good for "Ludwigm" is "good," and what "Ludwigm" doesn't want or like or accept is bad (if it effects Ludwigm's perception of himself, needs and desires).

My standpoint is the Kantian imperative, which is the direct opposite of relativism.

Can you read? Can you understand your own language?

Anthropological relativism refers to a methodological stance, in which the researcher suspends (or brackets) his or her own cultural biases while attempting to understand beliefs and behaviors in their local contexts. This has become known as methodological relativism, and concerns itself specifically with avoiding ethnocentrism or the application of one's own cultural standards to the assessment of other cultures.

It is exactly the very same philosophy employed by the those siding with the Nazis, Communists, Capitalists and Socialists. They all define what is good

Up to now, I believed we are talking about god, Bible etc.
...

Is gay marriage good ---- I mean really a good thing?

Didn't you put on false scent? I didn't say one word here about that things... gays, marriage...

God calls it wrong and that is what I accept.

What? Gay marriage again?


We are talking about "... god can punish anybody anywhere whenever he wants (and creates a cause to do it)."
And you call it good cause, because unnamed three thousand years old tribal factotums from the skirt of the map said so.


Congratulation.
Next time you should CURE YOUR CHILDREN this way --- instead of health care system (by Obama or anybody):
Then shall the priest command to take for him (THIS IS FOR YOUR MALE CHILDREN ONLY...) that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
As your god ordered it.

by the way do you know what hyssop is? Scarlet? Clean bird?
I hope you have running water in your WC.