Bible verse by verse

[_The Erotic Apologist]

And you should have told Markelan that when he made his remark.

Told him what, exactly?

[_LittleNipper]

And you should have told Markelan that when he made his remark.

Told him what, exactly?

The very same thing you told me. "Instead of calling him names you might consider showing us how your reading of the original Greek and Hebrew better satisfies the author's intent."

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The very same thing you told me.

I find Mak's reading of the original Greek and Hebrew both informative and fascinating.

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate how your reading of the oldest existing texts is any better.

Will you rise to the challenge?

Or will you hide behind another wall-of-text?

[_LittleNipper]

The very same thing you told me.

I find Mak's reading of the original Greek and Hebrew both informative and fascinating.

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate how your reading of the oldest existing texts is any better.

That is fine; however, you should have informed "Mak" that he should be treating others as he wishes to be treated. Please see: http://informationaboutgod.com/articles ... oliath.php

[_The Erotic Apologist]

That is fine; however, you should have informed "Mak" that he should be treating others as he wishes to be treated.

I'm not his mommy. And I'm not your mommy, either. Maybe you're just not ready to play with the big kids.

Please see: http://informationaboutgod.com/articles ... oliath.php

Still waiting to see how your reading of the earliest surviving texts better satisfies the author's intent. Whenever you're ready, Nipper...

[_LittleNipper]

That is fine; however, you should have informed "Mak" that he should be treating others as he wishes to be treated.

I'm not his mommy. And I'm not your mommy, either. Maybe you're just not ready to play with the big kids.

Please see: http://informationaboutgod.com/articles ... oliath.php

Still waiting to see how your reading of the earliest surviving texts better satisfies the author's intent. Whenever you're ready, Nipper...

Well, your not mine either. There are very learned professors who can read ancient Hebrew. And since you are not willing to accept their learned opinions, I cannot help but imagine anyone in disagreement with your values would not be simply ignored or slighted.

[Guest]

2 Chronicles 4:1-22 Solomon also had fabricated a bronze altar 30 feet long, 30 feet wide, and 15 feet high. Then had cast a great round basin, feet across from rim to rim, called the Sea. It was 7 1⁄2 feet deep and about 45 feet in circumference. It was encircled just below its rim by two rows of figures that resembled oxen. There were about six oxen per foot all the way around, and they were cast into the basin.

The Sea was placed on a base of 12 bronze oxen, facing outward. 3 north, 3 west, 3 south, and 3 east, and the Sea rested on them. The walls of the Sea were about three inches in thickness, and its rim flared out like a cup and resembled a water lily blossom --- able to hold about 16,500 gallons of water.

Solomon also had made ten smaller basins for washing the utensils for burnt offerings. He set 5 on the south side and 5 on the north. But the priests washed themselves in the Sea. Also included were cast ten gold lampstands to the specifications provided, and these were placed in the Temple. 5 were placed against the south wall, and 5 against the north wall.

Solomon also had tables built and placed in the Temple, 5 along the south wall and 5 along the north wall. He had molded 100 gold basins. Solomon had constructed a courtyard for the priests, and a large outer courtyard. These included doors for the courtyard entrances which were overlaid with bronze. The Sea was placed near the southeast corner of the Temple.

Huram-abi also made the necessary washbasins, shovels, and bowls. Huram-abi completed everything King Solomon had assigned him to make for the Temple of God:

2 pillars
2 bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars
2 networks of interlaced chains that decorated the capitals
400 pomegranates that hung from the chains carved on the capitals (2 rows of pomegranates for each of the chain carvings decorating the capitals on top of the pillars)
Water carts to hold the basins
The Sea and the twelve oxen under it
Ash buckets, the shovels, the meat hooks, and all the related articles.

Huram-abi made all these things of burnished bronze for the Temple of the Lord, just as King Solomon had directed --- cast in clay molds in the Jordan Valley between Succoth and Zarethan. Solomon used such great quantities of bronze that the amount could not be fathomed. Solomon also had made all the furnishings for the Temple of God:

The gold altar
The tables for the Bread of the Presence
The lampstands and their lamps of solid gold, to burn in front of the Most Holy Place as prescribed
The flower decorations, lamps, and tongs—all of the purest gold
The lamp snuffers, bowls, ladles, and incense burners—all of solid gold
The doors for the entrances to the Most Holy Place and the main room of the Temple, overlaid with gold

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And he maketh an altar of brass, twenty cubits its length, and twenty cubits its breadth, and ten cubits its height.

2 And he maketh the molten sea; ten by the cubit, from its edge unto its edge, round in compass, and five by the cubit its height, and a line of thirty by the cubit doth compass it, round about.

3 And the likeness of oxen [is] under it, all round about encompassing it, ten in the cubit, compassing the sea round about; two rows of oxen are cast in its being cast.

4 It is standing on twelve oxen, three facing the north, and three facing the west, and three facing the south, and three facing the east, and the sea [is] upon them above, and all their hinder parts [are] within.

5 And its thickness [is] a handbreadth, and its lip as the work of the lip of a cup flowered with lilies; taking hold -- baths three thousand it containeth.

6 And he maketh ten lavers, and putteth five on the right, and five on the left, to wash with them; the work of the burnt-offering they purge with them; and the sea [is] for priests to wash with.

7 And he maketh the ten candlesticks of gold, according to their ordinance, and placeth in the temple, five on the right, and five on the left.

8 And he maketh ten tables, and placeth in the temple, five on the right, and five on the left; and he maketh bowls of gold a hundred.

9 And he maketh the court of the priests, and the great court, and doors for the court, and their doors he hath overlaid with brass.

10 And the sea he hath placed on the right shoulder eastward, over-against the south.

11 And Huram maketh the pots, and the shovels, and the bowls, and Huram finisheth to make the work that he made for king Solomon in the house of God;

12 two pillars, and the bowls, and the crowns on the heads of the two pillars, and the two wreaths to cover the two bowls of the crowns that [are] on the heads of the pillars;

13 and the pomegranates four hundred to the two wreaths, two rows of pomegranates to the one wreath, to cover the two bowls of the crowns that [are] on the front of the pillars.

14 And the bases he hath made; and the lavers he hath made on the bases;

15 the one sea, and the twelve oxen under it,

16 and the pots, and the shovels, and the forks, and all their vessels, hath Huram his father made for king Solomon, for the house of Jehovah, of brass purified.

17 In the circuit of the Jordan hath the king cast them, in the thick soil of the ground, between Succoth and Zeredathah.

18 And Solomon maketh all these vessels in great abundance, that the weight of the brass hath not been searched out.

19 And Solomon maketh all the vessels that [are for] the house of God, and the altar of gold, and the tables, and on them [is] bread of the presence;

20 and the candlesticks, and their lamps, for their burning according to the ordinance, before the oracle, of gold refined;

21 and the flowers, and the lamps, and the tongs of gold -- it [is] the perfection of gold;

22 and the snuffers, and the bowls, and the spoons, and the censers, of gold refined, and the opening of the house, its innermost doors to the holy of holies, and the doors of the house to the temple, of gold.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

There are very learned professors who can read ancient Hebrew.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Some of them regularly contribute to this forum.

And since you are not willing to accept their learned opinions...

That's not the case at all and you know it, Nipper.

...I cannot help but imagine anyone in disagreement with your values would not be simply ignored or slighted.

That's not true, either. False and erroneous statements like these are the reason why more than a few around here consider you to be less than completely forthright.

[_LittleNipper]

There are very learned professors who can read ancient Hebrew.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Some of them regularly contribute to this forum.

And since you are not willing to accept their learned opinions...

That's not the case at all and you know it, Nipper.

...I cannot help but imagine anyone in disagreement with your values would not be simply ignored or slighted.

That's not true, either. False and erroneous statements like these are the reason why more than a few around here consider you to be less than completely forthright.

Please see: http://informationaboutgod.com/articles ... oliath.php
Also view this from the UK: http://www.ukapologetics.net/13/goliath.htm

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Also view this from the UK: http://www.ukapologetics.net/13/goliath.htm

Please see this from right here on the WWW: http://www.atheistmemebase.com/

And this from the same place: http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php