Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

I have not refused to respond. I believe David killed Goliath (as the Bible says).

But you don't believe the Bible when it says Elhanan killed Goliath. You have to impose a theory about univocality and then find an explanation for the corruption of the text so that your theory holds in spite of what the Bible says.

And that Goliath's brother was killed by another.

Except we know Goliath had no brother named "My Bread." That's an asinine way to explain the direction of the textual corruption. So you have to accept a laughably bad text-critical reconstruction just so your theory can hold in spite of what the Bible says. You don't believe the Bible, you believe your dogma in spite of the Bible.

I believe that people trying very hard to discount the Bible have even promoted that there are two Creation stories in Genesis. The story of David and Saul is the longer story. If David lied and made up a story, God would never have said that David was a man after his own heart.

Or God didn't say that. Y'see how every last one of your assertions is based on an assumption that you cannot even begin to defend? It all comes down to you having decided to believe your tradition no matter what the Bible says.

You are a Mormon and you talk to me of dogmatism. You do not see hypocrisy this?

You cannot point to me being dogmatic anywhere.

Yes, I believe the Bible. Jesus believed the Bible. Sometimes we don't fully comprehend. It is possible that Goliath had a son and that with the death of this son and or brother, the line of Goliath was snuffed out. And very frankly you are in the very same boat. YOUR own assertions are based on assumptions and manipulation. And of course I can defend them all. I have Christ on my side and you have but a "Goliath". My one Rock is bigger and stronger than all your little stone heaped together. The 6 day Creation is reality, The Flood actually happened, and there is nothing wrong with the Name " My Bread." Many, likely all the Bible names have meanings, and some pretty odd to modern thinking ---- see: http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/biblical

And it seems to me, that when the Last written book of the Bible (about 95 AD) says that the prophecy has ended and that anyone who adds to or takes away from it is in serious trouble. Mormons have nothing but excuses, I mean dogma to stand upon.

[_maklelan]

Yes, I believe the Bible. Jesus believed the Bible. Sometimes we don't fully comprehend. It is possible that Goliath had a son and that with the death of this son and or brother, the line of Goliath was snuffed out. And very frankly you are in the very same boat. YOUR own assertions are based on assumptions and manipulation.

Completely untrue. I'm basing my conclusion entirely on logic and evidence.

And of course I can defend them all.

Completely untrue. You can only make assertions that have no evidentiary support whatsoever.

I have Christ on my side and you have but a "Goliath". My one Rock is bigger and stronger than all your little stone heaped together. The 6 day Creation is reality, The Flood actually happened, and there is nothing wrong with the Name " My Bread." Many, likely all the Bible names have meanings, and some pretty odd to modern thinking ---- see: http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/biblical

I've studied biblical and Northwest Semitic naming conventions for years in a professional context. I don't need your guesses. Your link also omits the name "Lahmi," by the way. As I said, it does not follow established naming conventions, is not in the right language, and is easily accounted for as a textual corruption.

And it seems to me, that when the Last written book of the Bible (about 95 AD) says that the prophecy has ended and that anyone who adds to or takes away from it is in serious trouble. Mormons have nothing but excuses, I mean dogma to stand upon.

Bringing it back to a place I never took it. You completely ignored the two issues in Deuteronomy, and here you can only throw links against the wall and make assertions and assumptions you can neither support nor defend.

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Yes, I believe the Bible. Jesus believed the Bible. Sometimes we don't fully comprehend. It is possible that Goliath had a son and that with the death of this son and or brother, the line of Goliath was snuffed out. And very frankly you are in the very same boat. YOUR own assertions are based on assumptions and manipulation.

Completely untrue. I'm basing my conclusion entirely on logic and evidence.

And of course I can defend them all.

Completely untrue. You can only make assertions that have no evidentiary support whatsoever.

I have Christ on my side and you have but a "Goliath". My one Rock is bigger and stronger than all your little stone heaped together. The 6 day Creation is reality, The Flood actually happened, and there is nothing wrong with the Name " My Bread." Many, likely all the Bible names have meanings, and some pretty odd to modern thinking ---- see: http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/biblical

I've studied biblical and Northwest Semitic naming conventions for years in a professional context. I don't need your guesses. Your link also omits the name "Lahmi," by the way. As I said, it does not follow established naming conventions, is not in the right language, and is easily accounted for as a textual corruption.

And it seems to me, that when the Last written book of the Bible (about 95 AD) says that the prophecy has ended and that anyone who adds to or takes away from it is in serious trouble. Mormons have nothing but excuses, I mean dogma to stand upon.

Bringing it back to a place I never took it. You completely ignored the two issues in Deuteronomy, and here you can only throw links against the wall and make assertions and assumptions you can neither support nor defend.

And what does the name Nephi mean? Or does it ---- "not follow established naming conventions, is not in the right language, and is easily accounted for as a textual corruption." I always try to base my conclusions on Biblical evidence and godly logic. The point is that it is not what Deuteronomy says, or Moses, or any of the Prophets; it is what Jesus Christ NOW says. Note Jesus' wording at Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:26, Matthew 5:28, Matthew 5:32, Matthew 5:34, Matthew 5:39, and Matthew 5:44.

I will indulge skeptics and the "learned" but draw the line at considering that man ever really knows what he is talking about when it comes to declaring that the Bible is erroneous. Read the book of Job. But the Good Lord willing we will eventually get there. And the fact is I am taking you to a place where you don't really wish to go. Namely that the Bible is presently a finished book.

[_maklelan]

And what does the name Nephi mean?

It's related to the Egyptian word nepher, which refers to beauty or goodness and dropped the final /r/ by the middle of the first millennium BCE.

Or does it "not follow established naming conventions, is not in the right language, and is easily accounted for as a textual corruption." I always try to base my conclusions on Biblical evidence and godly logic.

I see absolutely no evidence of that at all.

I will indulge skeptics and the "learned"

You mean you'll have no ides what they're talking about, will retreat to the apologetics you find on Google, and will ultimately be forced to just assert that you're right?

but draw the line at considering that man ever really know what he is talking about when it comes to declaring that the Bible is erroneous.

And that's the explicit blind dogmatism.

Read the book of Job.

Do you honestly think I haven't read the book of Job many times?

But the Good Lord willing we will eventually get there. And the fact is I am taking you to a place where you don't really wish to go. Namely that the Bible is presently a finished book.

But there's no evidence whatsoever for that idea. In fact, all the evidence unilaterally precludes it. You can only assert your claim and leave it at that. Watch, you'll do exactly that in response.

[_LittleNipper]

And what does the name Nephi mean?

It's related to the Egyptian word nepher, which refers to beauty or goodness and dropped the final /r/ by the middle of the first millennium BCE.

Or does it "not follow established naming conventions, is not in the right language, and is easily accounted for as a textual corruption." I always try to base my conclusions on Biblical evidence and godly logic.

I see absolutely no evidence of that at all.

I will indulge skeptics and the "learned"

You mean you'll have no ides what they're talking about, will retreat to the apologetics you find on Google, and will ultimately be forced to just assert that you're right?

but draw the line at considering that man ever really know what he is talking about when it comes to declaring that the Bible is erroneous.

And that's the explicit blind dogmatism.

Read the book of Job.

Do you honestly think I haven't read the book of Job many times?

But the Good Lord willing we will eventually get there. And the fact is I am taking you to a place where you don't really wish to go. Namely that the Bible is presently a finished book.

But there's no evidence whatsoever for that idea. In fact, all the evidence unilaterally precludes it. You can only assert your claim and leave it at that. Watch, you'll do exactly that in response.

I believe that you read the book of Job without seeing yourself portrayed anywhere. And I thought "Nephi" was a Hebrew? My mistake. By the way, how many times does "Nephi" appear in the Bible? Not even a honorable mention in Hebrews? Evidence, what evidence? Secular evidence? Mormon evidence? Blind dogmatism? Maybe you should attend Liberty University or Dallas Theological Seminary, Cairn University, Baptist Bible College, Taylor University, even Grove City College.

[_maklelan]

I believe that you read the book of Job without seeing yourself portrayed anywhere. And I thought "Nephi" was a Hebrew? My mistake.

He was. Egypt was very influential on pre-exilic Judean culture.

By the way, how many times does "Nephi" appear in the Bible? Not even a honorable mention in Hebrews?

We have hundreds of names attested in Israelite texts and inscriptions that appear nowhere in the Hebrew Bible. Relevance?

Evidence, what evidence? Secular evidence? Mormon evidence? Blind dogmatism? Maybe you should attend Liberty University or Dallas Theological Seminary, Cairn University, Baptist Bible College, Taylor University, even Grove City College.

Any evidence. Dogmatism is not evidence.

[_ludwigm]

And what does the name Nephi mean?

It's related to the Egyptian word nepher, which refers to beauty or goodness and dropped the final /r/ by the middle of the first millennium BCE.

My usual association...

“Perhaps I should like us to part friends, Sinuhe. Therefore I will tell you my name, which is Nefernefernefer, because I am thought beautiful and because no one who has pronounced my name can resist saying it once more, and again. It is a custom also for parting friends to give one another keepsakes. Therefore I want a gift from you.”

I was once more aware of my poverty, for I had nothing to give her: not the most trifling little ornament, not the smallest copper ring—nor if I had could I have offered such things to her. I was so bitterly ashamed that I bent my head, unable to speak.

“Then give me a present to revive my heart,” she said, and she raised my chin with her finger and brought her face quite close. When I understood what she wanted, I touched her soft lips with mine. She sighed a little.

“Thank you. That was a beautiful gift, Sinuhe. I shall not forget it. But you must be a stranger from a far country since you have not yet learned how to kiss. How else is it possible that the girls of Thebes have not taught you, though your hair is shorn for manhood?”
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[_LittleNipper]

I believe that you read the book of Job without seeing yourself portrayed anywhere. And I thought "Nephi" was a Hebrew? My mistake.

He was. Egypt was very influential on pre-exilic Judean culture.

By the way, how many times does "Nephi" appear in the Bible? Not even a honorable mention in Hebrews?

We have hundreds of names attested in Israelite texts and inscriptions that appear nowhere in the Hebrew Bible. Relevance?

Evidence, what evidence? Secular evidence? Mormon evidence? Blind dogmatism? Maybe you should attend Liberty University or Dallas Theological Seminary, Cairn University, Baptist Bible College, Taylor University, even Grove City College.

Any evidence. Dogmatism is not evidence.

Why would Moses not go by his Egyptian name? see: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... l-name.htm
It is totally unlikely that Hebrews or Jews would give Egyptian names to their children, when Moses himself (though adopted by an Egyptian princess and likely called by an Egyptian name) went by Moses. Egypt may have had an influence, but it was still remembered as the SLAVE MASTER. And a people who revered Abraham and Moses do not consider names as arbitrary appendages. So, your evidence counts as evidence, but my evidence is only pure dogmatism ---------------------- I see...

[_maklelan]

Why would Moses not go by his Egyptian name?

Moses is an Egyptian name.

see: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... l-name.htm

Exodus contains a folk etymology that tries to tie the name to the narrative and recast it as Hebrew.

It is totally unlikely that Hebrews or Jews would give Egyptian names to their children, when Moses himself (though adopted by an Egyptian princess and likely called by an Egyptian name) went by Moses.

Moses is an Egyptian name, you're just relying on sources that don't find that acceptable.

Egypt may have had an influence, but it was still remembered as the SLAVE MASTER.

So why did Hezekiah put Egyptian symbols on his lmlk jar handles? You're just making assumptions based on what you think is orthodox.

And a people who revered Abraham and Moses do not consider names as arbitrary appendages.

I think you'd be surprised how many of the names in the Hebrew Bible are arbitrary editorializations.

So, your evidence counts as evidence, but my evidence is only pure dogmatism ---------------------- I see...

Yes. That's exactly it.

[_LittleNipper]

Why would Moses not go by his Egyptian name?

Moses is an Egyptian name.

see: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... l-name.htm

Exodus contains a folk etymology that tries to tie the name to the narrative and recast it as Hebrew.

It is totally unlikely that Hebrews or Jews would give Egyptian names to their children, when Moses himself (though adopted by an Egyptian princess and likely called by an Egyptian name) went by Moses.

Moses is an Egyptian name, you're just relying on sources that don't find that acceptable.

Egypt may have had an influence, but it was still remembered as the SLAVE MASTER.

So why did Hezekiah put Egyptian symbols on his lmlk jar handles? You're just making assumptions based on what you think is orthodox.

And a people who revered Abraham and Moses do not consider names as arbitrary appendages.

I think you'd be surprised how many of the names in the Hebrew Bible are arbitrary editorializations.

So, your evidence counts as evidence, but my evidence is only pure dogmatism ---------------------- I see...

Yes. That's exactly it.

Yes, well the very same goes both ways. I trust the Bible. You think it's all made up. I believe that the Book of Mormon is all made up and you place your trust in it. Moses is a Hebrew name the evidence is the following: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... -real-name. Tell me what the name Cohen represents.