religion based on a lie vs. 1 on what someone belives

[_just me]

Oh, and I consider it very effed up if Hitler ends up in the same kingdom of glory as Ceeboo.

I mean, seriously.

ETA: Silly me, actually Hitler has had his temple work done. Guess he is CK bound. Ceeboo won't have to share a kingdom with him after all.

[_Ceeboo]

Oh, and I consider it very effed up if Hitler ends up in the same kingdom of glory as Ceeboo.

I don't know what would be worse, spending all of eternity bunking with Hitler or spending all of eternity looking up at all those Mormons up there.

:)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Quasimodo]

Oh, and I consider it very effed up if Hitler ends up in the same kingdom of glory as Ceeboo.

I don't know what would be worse, spending all of eternity bunking with Hitler or spending all of eternity looking up at all those Mormons up there.

:)

On the bright side, Hitler (despite what an awful guy he was) would have some interesting stories The Mormons are probably already looking down on you, so it might not seem much different.

[_hatersinmyward]

Either that or the valiant members will choose to downgrade kingdom so that the family can be together.

i can buy that...

that would definitely make the terrestrial kingdom the place to be. 'i know if i were in the terrestrial i'd rather kick it with those who chose to down grade rather than with those stingy people who "use visiting" as their cop-out.'

[_bcspace]

What is the problem with God having requirements for salvation?

Because it doesn't make sense. There are conflicts in the LDS requirements.

Example: A baby who dies a few minutes after birth will enherit eternal life according to the scriptures. Full stop.

Mormoni 8:11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.

How is that a conflict?

However, there is the little teaching of needing ALL temple work in order to enherit eternal life (or lives). That includes a temple marriage which is an earth ordinance.

Which is also done by proxy.

Truth, LDS do not do any proxy temple work for babies who died before age of accountability except sealing to parents.

They're not married or baptised yet.

The church teaches that eternal marriage is a requirement of eternal life.

The Bible also teaches that marriage is a requirement (1 Cor 11:11)

However, the Bible says that even eunichs can enherit eternal life.

They will also be able to marry. The resurrection fixes that condition.

Obviously, babies were never married.

They will have to be married someday as is implied by the doctrine. There seems to be plenty of time available in the afterlife for that to happen. The work is not done yet because we don't know who they pair up with.

So, which is it? Do babies need baptism or not in order to enherit eternal life? Do babies need a mate to enherit eternal life or not?

I believe the doctrine implies that if they want to remain the CK, they do. Consider; were we not also present in a Celestial glory with God before we came to earth? Was not Jesus a God (relative to us) even before he came to earth and got a body? It's all relative and there is no conflict.

[_bcspace]

Oh, and I consider it very effed up if Hitler ends up in the same kingdom of glory as Ceeboo.

Telestial for sure. I can conceive Outer Darkness for mass murderers like Hitler and other socialists because I believe such denies the Holy Ghost. But that is just my opinion.

ETA: Silly me, actually Hitler has had his temple work done. Guess he is CK bound. Ceeboo won't have to share a kingdom with him after all.

Getting the work done does not guarentee the CK. Accepting the work done on your own behalf does not guarentee the CK. We are also judged by our works and whether or not we have repented of our sins or if it's even possible to repent enough to inherit the CK. Consider 1 John 3:15. A murder seems to not be able to inherit the CK. Such was the case with King David.

[_jon]

The long and short of this is that if you want to be with your whole family forever (according to Mormonism) you will have to choose to downgrade to the kingdom of the least valiant one.
I do not know a single Mormon family who doesn't have at least one 'less valiant' member.

In my opinion, based on Mormon doctrine, the CK population is going to be sparsley populated with people who miss their family...

[_bcspace]

The long and short of this is that if you want to be with your whole family forever (according to Mormonism) you will have to choose to downgrade to the kingdom of the least valiant one.
I do not know a single Mormon family who doesn't have at least one 'less valiant' member.

In my opinion, based on Mormon doctrine, the CK population is going to be sparsley populated with people who miss their family...

That's pretty much the theology of any Christian religion and others as well; that there will be a separation of families because some will make it and others will not. Jesus teaches this expressly in verses such as:

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37

[_just me]

So, babies that die do not need to be baptized or receive the endowment, yet they do have to marry someone in heaven where we are told "none marry nor are given in marriage."

Contradictory and lame.

Basically, there is no Good News. The Good News ain't so good after all. Jesus would weep.