Your Prophet Needs You...

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Since you did not stipulate that the we had to believe the revelation was from God I would reject it as a false revelation and suggest to the Prophet that he ask my wife what she thought about his revelation. I would then back away.

A long ways away.

He does not know my wife as well I as I do.
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Fence Sitter wrote:Since you did not stipulate that the we had to believe the revelation was from God I would reject it as a false revelation and suggest to the Prophet that he ask my wife what she thought about his revelation. I would then back away.

A long ways away.

He does not know my wife as well I as I do.


But if the Prophet tells you he has had a revelation would you not automatically take it as being from God?
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Drifting wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:Since you did not stipulate that the we had to believe the revelation was from God I would reject it as a false revelation and suggest to the Prophet that he ask my wife what she thought about his revelation. I would then back away.

A long ways away.

He does not know my wife as well I as I do.


But if the Prophet tells you he has had a revelation would you not automatically take it as being from God?


The missionary age me would probably say yes. Now 30 some years later (even if I were a faithful TBM) I would like to think I would say no, but it is hard to say from the perspective I have now. How I would react as a faithful LDS? I suspect I would probably say yes after giving it a lot of thought and prayer and discussing it at length with my wife.

On a side note I did get a set of golf clubs for my wife last year. I thought it was a fair trade.
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Fence Sitter wrote:
On a side note I did get a set of golf clubs for my wife last year. I thought it was a fair trade.


Pings I hope...


Seriously though.

Mormons are avoiding this thread because they are in a catch 22.

Saying yes they would give up their wife makes them appear horrifically poor husbands. Saying no makes them appear horrifically disloyal Mormons. No upside on this one.
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Drifting wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:
On a side note I did get a set of golf clubs for my wife last year. I thought it was a fair trade.


Pings I hope...


Seriously though.

Mormons are avoiding this thread because they are in a catch 22.

Saying yes they would give up their wife makes them appear horrifically poor husbands. Saying no makes them appear horrifically disloyal Mormons. No upside on this one.


I doubt they are avoiding this thread because it is a catch 22. I expect they just are not interested in the question. I am not sure it would make them look that bad to each other either. For example, I have a large extended family who are all active LDS (6 brothers and sisters and parents). If I demanded that they stop going to Church or I would never talk to them again they would choose the Church. I do not think that makes them bad people nor do I think it means they do not love me, they do, a lot. It is just that the Church is the most important thing in their lives.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Fence Sitter wrote:If I demanded that they stop going to Church or I would never talk to them again they would choose the Church. I do not think that makes them bad people nor do I think it means they do not love me, they do, a lot. It is just that the Church is the most important thing in their lives.


This is sad, but all too common and equally occurs between spouses.
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Drifting wrote:
This is sad, but all too common and equally occurs between spouses.


My wife is still active but on her own terms. We sort of put up with each others views on the Church and we both try to avoid ultimatums. I am not sure how she would react to a "me or the Church" demand, but I am sure I don't want to find out. I also think the Church is very good for her. It provides her with most of her social relationships and I envy her group of friends.
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Re: Your Prophet Needs You...

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Some people find themselves in the "eternal marriage from hell". They find themselves in a loveless relationship because they give themselves only a short period of dating characterized by no sex, insufficient time to get to know each other. (I'm not advocating common law or fornication before marriage, by the way, with that statement, simply pointing out the potential for big surprises after marriage).

They go into a high-stakes eternal relationship unprepared and without having done the necessary "homework" to determine if their spouse is compatible.

Therefore, for someone in an unhappy eternal marriage, I think it would be a wonderful opportunity to learn from their mistake. For these people, I would suggest agreeing wholeheartedly to the wife transfer, provided the Prophet also has to assume full responsiblity for living with her also.
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UnicornMan wrote:Some people find themselves in the "eternal marriage from hell". They find themselves in a loveless relationship because they give themselves only a short period of dating characterized by no sex, insufficient time to get to know each other. (I'm not advocating common law or fornication before marriage, by the way, with that statement, simply pointing out the potential for big surprises after marriage).

They go into a high-stakes eternal relationship unprepared and without having done the necessary "homework" to determine if their spouse is compatible.

Therefore, for someone in an unhappy eternal marriage, I think it would be a wonderful opportunity to learn from their mistake. For these people, I would suggest agreeing wholeheartedly to the wife transfer, provided the Prophet also has to assume full responsiblity for living with her also.


I think this is an interesting twist on the Mormon doctrine of wife swapping.

Instead of the Prophet determining who to approach - he has to be sealed to all unwanted spouses from marriages where the husband wants out of Mormonism. Obviously Mrs Monson would get all the cast off husbands.

Hmm...it seems like a workable solution, at least from an eternal perspective...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
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