Zelder wrote:It's obvious there is an apostasy occuring. I don't see the church shrinking or people leaving in droves though. To me this is all fullfillment of prophecy. The times of the gentiles are reaching their fullfillment. Maybe it's about time to batten down the hatches. I expect, the times of the Jews to be coming soon.
The Church faces an insolvable problem. Mormonism has always had a battle between it's teachings and reality. Converts and existing members have always had to choose between the Book of Mormon and scientific truths.
That doesn't seem to be the case either. This never comes up in Church probably because there are no scientific problems associated with the Book of Mormon. Not DNA, not steel, not horses, nothing.
Trolling, trolling, trolling....
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
The Church faces an insolvable problem. Mormonism has always had a battle between it's teachings and reality. Converts and existing members have always had to choose between the Book of Mormon and scientific truths.
That doesn't seem to be the case either. This never comes up in Church probably because there are no scientific problems associated with the Book of Mormon. Not DNA, not steel, not horses, nothing.
I do appreciate that this is how you see it, bc. I suspect it is not the sort of thing that would come up in church (DNA, steel, horses, etc.). All those things you mentioned (and many more) do have an effect on many people both in the Church and those researching the Church.
The questionable history of Joseph Smith is also becoming a topic of interest to the faithful and non-faithful.
I'm afraid it's a slow downhill slide with no stop until it reaches the bottom.
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"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
The times of the gentiles is a time appointed for the gentiles to receive the gospel but they reject it because of the precepts of men. See D&C 45. At some point after the gentiles have had their chance, the Jews will get a chance. Of course, they reject it too.
Zelder wrote:The times of the gentiles is a time appointed for the gentiles to receive the gospel but they reject it because of the precepts of men. See D&C 45. At some point after the gentiles have had their chance, the Jews will get a chance. Of course, they reject it too.
I've always been amused by the use of the word 'gentile" by Mormons. It means anyone who is not Jewish. The Mormons are gentiles, too.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
It seems Jensen doesn't agree with you, now why am I not surprised....
what a shame that facts, as usual, don't agree with you...still don't see use of "droves"
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It seems Jensen doesn't agree with you, now why am I not surprised....
what a shame that facts, as usual, don't agree with you...still don't see use of "droves"
drove 2 (drv) n. 1. A flock or herd being driven in a body. 2. a. A large mass of people moving or acting as a body. b. A large body of like things. See Synonyms at flock1. 3. a. A stonemason's broad-edged chisel used for rough hewing. b. A stone surface dressed with such a chisel. [Middle English, from Old English drf, from drfan, to drive; see dhreibh- in Indo-European roots.]
Works for me.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Talk of a mass exodus is of course completely overblown, but there has been enough apostasy that the church has taken notice. That the church recognizes there is a problem puts the lie to the sneers of those who think it's just a trickle of selfish people.
I'm afraid it's a slow downhill slide with no stop until it reaches the bottom.
There have been ups and downs all through out Church history, modern and ancient. But I'm fairly certain you guys will do anything to exaggerate even the slightest negative turn of events.